Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Or here is another idea. When somebody commits a crime, we just call it a crime and punish them according to what they did. If there was some kind of "hate speech" or graffitti involved, then that can be used as further evidence of their guilt. There are perfectly valid reasons for hate crime laws - it's a sad fact and I wish there wasn't a need for them but there are. I hope for the day in America where they aren't needed but it probably won't happen during my lifetime. The point of the laws are just as much to deter bigoted behavior as it is to punish those that engage in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 A) I've never had anyone that was a homosexual call me a slur The whole issue is whether it is violent or not, as far as I know most hate crimes involve violence of some kind C) I disagree that gay people are "just as prejudiced against straight people" . . . and I tend to believe if a few are it is the result of perceived ills by straight people in their lives That's my opinion and my example was just to make a point - I think it did but there are plenty that will disagree and that is fine. well hopefully the sky stays a nice bright blue in your world. butch lesbians HATE men because they have penises and they dont. or they call you "reproducer" like you are beneath them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 The comment about military members being included in a hate crime group would be fine with me.However, there are perfectly reasonable explainations for why "hate crime" legislation was passed in the first place but obviously that doesn't make sense to you. Maybe we should include all groups into the hate crime category, after all there was that story about all the gay guys lynching the guy because he was straight . . . Yeah, sorry. If I'm murdered, I doubt my daughters will care if it's for my wallet or because of my skin color. But our lovely federal government values people of other skin colors and persuasions more than me. And yes, I will ALWAYS take issue with government-mandated inequality. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 isnt when I call someone a racial slur while beating them up what makes it a hate crime over just a normal crime? I have no issue with any laws who's intended purpose is to create stricter penalties for those who commit hate crimes. As for the application and interpretation of these laws, that is another matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 well hopefully the sky stays a nice bright blue in your world. butch lesbians HATE men because they have penises and they dont. or they call you "reproducer" like you are beneath them. Once you find me an example of a butch lesbian beating the **** out of a guy for being a "reproducer" or lynching a guy just for being a man then you may be able to convince me I'm wrong. Otherwise, I stand by my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTerps26 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 "I actually worked in a medical treatment facility, and we actually saved lives instead of taking them," he said. http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/vehicle-vandal-leaves-hateful.html this sounds like a personal thing, or some insane extremists. Odd that they would go for this man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Once you find me an example of a butch lesbian beating the **** out of a guy for being a "reproducer" or lynching a guy just for being a man then you may be able to convince me I'm wrong.Otherwise, I stand by my post. close minded individual. ya know, the next time you jump on one of us and try to call us defensive you need to realize that you are just as close minded. there are plenty of gay people that beat up straight people. maybe you dont live close enough to a gay community to know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Yeah, sorry. If I'm murdered, I doubt my daughters will care if it's for my wallet or because of my skin color.But our lovely federal government values people of other skin colors and persuasions more than me. And yes, I will ALWAYS take issue with government-mandated inequality. Always. Oh my God. Seriously, H_H . . . one day it will have to stop. There may be no class of citizen in the world treated as unfairly as the white man in America. The injustices of this country towards White Christian males like ourselves have made life almost intolerable. If only we received the same treatment as those damned minorities we might one day be able to achieve equality. Give me a ****ing break. It's hilarious how it even shows up in your signature - although subtley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 PS: A black man beating a white man for being white is also a hate crime. http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-crime/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 close minded individual. ya know, the next time you jump on one of us and try to call us defensive you need to realize that you are just as close minded. there are plenty of gay people that beat up straight people. maybe you dont live close enough to a gay community to know it. I'm not being defensive . . . and if I'm being close minded I'm glad you have set me straight. I'm simply arguing my point. I have never read or heard about these many stories of gays beating up straight people due to their sexual preference. I obviously haven't been paying enough attention and will be on the look out for these stories. If you are correct in your statement I will gladly concede the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 JMU just wants to believe what he wants to believe. he doesnt want the world to be opened up to him so that he can see that everyone has faults. but just in case...look, gay racists!! http://www.leaderu.com/marco/special/spc17.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 JMU just wants to believe what he wants to believe. he doesnt want the world to be opened up to him so that he can see that everyone has faults. but just in case...look, gay racists!! http://www.leaderu.com/marco/special/spc17.html Thanks for giving me a chance to update my argument before jumping down my throat Mike. :doh: You have made a valid argument and I would fully expect that if these "gay militants" caused harm to any straight individual and it could be proven that it was at least partly due to their sexual preference I would fully expect them to be charged with a hate crime. And since I only want to believe what I want to believe I'll say that you made a good argument and you made me have to update my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Withdrawn, with my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Maybe you could argue my point instead of attacking me personally. Thanks for bringing Christianity into to it too, even though I made NO reference to that.Thanks, kindly, for demonstrating EXACTLY the kind of bull**** I'm talking about. You used to have class. I truly wonder what happened. I sincerely apologize for offending you so much then. I don't know exactly what was unclassy about my statement other than it drives me absolutely bonkers when people who are very similar to me in religion and skin pigment try to make arguments about discrimination or the government caring more for minorities than us. I only brought Christianity into the argument to try to make my own statement and wasn't intended to be some jab at you. It's just how I view things. So I apologize that you took me as being so unclassy and I will look into phrasing my arguments better in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Thanks for giving me a chance to update my argument before jumping down my throat Mike. :doh:You have made a valid argument and I would fully expect that if these "gay militants" caused harm to any straight individual and it could be proven that it was at least partly due to their sexual preference I would fully expect them to be charged with a hate crime. And since I only want to believe what I want to believe I'll say that you made a good argument and you made me have to update my argument. if it didnt happen to me personally (the name calling not the violence) I wouldnt believe it either. But its pretty common place and one of my good friends is a lesbian and a lot of them have been slighted against by straight people and HATE them. and gay men the same way. sucks but true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Gay racists scare me. Must be the pink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I sincerely apologize for offending you so much then. I don't know exactly what was unclassy about my statement other than it drives me absolutely bonkers when people who are very similar to me in religion and skin pigment try to make arguments about discrimination or the government caring more for minorities than us. So all people of the same race have exactly the same experience? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 if it didnt happen to me personally (the name calling not the violence) I wouldnt believe it either. But its pretty common place and one of my good friends is a lesbian and a lot of them have been slighted against by straight people and HATE them. and gay men the same way. sucks but true... That was part of the point I was trying to make - I think it's more of a reaction instead of initiated out of nowhere by them - but it's wrong just the same. Either way, I'm happy to reconstruct my argument to include what you've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 So all people of the same race have exactly the same experience?Interesting. Not what I meant at all. However, I think anyone that takes an American History 101 class would be able to at least argue against SOME of your points. Still, my post was not intended to be taken as personal so I'm sorry it came off that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 This should keep everyone busy for awhile....:dallasuckhttp://www.nbc5i.com/news/17550315/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news When they catch this mother****er they should behead him with a dull Swiss Army knife. Not sure why it can't be a hate crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 That was part of the point I was trying to make - I think it's more of a reaction instead of initiated out of nowhere by them - but it's wrong just the same.Either way, I'm happy to reconstruct my argument to include what you've said. I agree to disagree with you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'd be willing to bet money that some chick and her friends did this. If you write "Mother****er you gave me herpes" on the car, or whatever, then duh, you're getting arrested within the week. This way she gets the satisfaction of ****ing his **** up while also not getting caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 there are plenty of gay people that beat up straight people. maybe you dont live close enough to a gay community to know it. Huh? You are out of your mind. Try and find any factual support for that assertion, anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Not what I meant at all. However, I think anyone that takes an American History 101 class would be able to at least argue against SOME of your points.Still, my post was not intended to be taken as personal so I'm sorry it came off that way. No problem. The "class" statement on my part shouldn't have been made either. I apologize for that. I understand history. I do care about history. I'm just of the mind set that current injustices aren't the way to make up for past ones. Two wrongs, ya know? I just can't justify in my mind that black guy A kills white guy B for white guy B's wallet. He does 15 years. But white guy X kills black guy Z because he thinks he's a no-good n-bomb. He does 25 years. To me, a human life is a human life. And if you take one, your punishment for doing so, regardless of who or what the victim is, should be severe and consistent. If you really think about it, JMU, I'm taking the utter antithesis of a racist position here. I'm calling for equal treatment based on race (not to mention ethnicity, religion, sexual persuason, whatever). Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinthemboys Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 When they catch this mother****er they should behead him with a dull Swiss Army knife. Not sure why it can't be a hate crime. I like your Idea, but they should use the little 2" nail file in the swiss army knife after popping his eyes out with the corkscrew:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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