NoCalMike Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 My immediate thoughts after watching this offense is that it looked absolutely nothing like the offense that the Seahawks have been running which is the WCO system Zorn came from. Now I know he was going to tweak it a little bit, but I saw more short dumpoff passes in the flat(s) then I did under Joe Gibbs v.2 This begs the question, until Thomas & Kelly are healthy and contributing, is this the kind of production we are going to see out of the passing game? The WCO really needs those big WRs to be going across the middle. It is very hard to send Moss and ARE across the middle because they are so small, and are very tiny targets for a QB. Are we simply lacking the personnel right now? (Well that and the fact that the O-line play was embarrasing for the most part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Good Gawd people, this was our only our first freaking game in this new system, and it was against the world champs. Some of you people are just unbelievable :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Good Gawd people, this was our only our first freaking game in this new system, and it was against the world champs. Some of you people are just unbelievable :doh: Actually this would have been the 6th the game. Let's not forget the 1st 5 preseasons games as well. This game looked no different the last two preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Yes we do lack the personel......its going to take a few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 All Smurfs dont work in any system not even in 1983. We have no go to receiver and it will cost us yet another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Devin Thomas needs to get in the playbook and step it up. He had one catch tonight and looked like an NFL football player while doing it. Now he needs to actually learn what the hell he's doing and he's big enough to play the Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRAB Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 My immediate thoughts after watching this offense is that it looked absolutely nothing like the offense that the Seahawks have been running which is the WCO system Zorn came from. That offense was run by Mike Holmgren and their offensive coordinator. Zorn was just a QB coach... and really, Mike Holmgren spent a ton of time with Hasselbach, so you'd have to attribute his development to him. He developed Favre too. Anyway, that was Holmgren's offense in Seattle. Zorn not having Holmgren is a huge difference, needless to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 This has been the Skins history. Constant change will eventually have results like this. Marty Schottenheimer was on the verge of turning the team around but they fire him. Saunders offense had the Skins in the playoffs last year but the Skins elected to get rid of him. So you have a team learning another system. Its ridiculous. I said from the beginning that Greag Williams ans Saunders should've been given a chance to continue what they started. I'm getting sick of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No, we clearly don't have the right personnel. It's going to take at least 2 more drafts to be a SB contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No, we clearly don't have the right personnel. It's going to take at least 2 more drafts to be a SB contender. My buddies have always kidded me but I always say that you can never go wrong drafting in the trenches. You can't tell me Seattle has better skilled position offensive players than the Skins. Fact is they've been in the system a while and they're offensive line is a cohesive unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TRUTH DETECTOR Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Lets stick with Zorn.Campbell is gonna struggle in this new system as will everyone.Be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciscofan Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I think we have good receivers for the WCO, but the offensive line is not where it needs to be for ANY team. We have to give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRAB Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 My buddies have always kidded me but I always say that you can never go wrong drafting in the trenches. You can't tell me Seattle has better skilled position offensive players than the Skins. Fact is they've been in the system a while and they're offensive line is a cohesive unit. Seattle has a QB. There is no comparison between Hasselbach and Campbell. None. Portis is better than anything they have at RB and Moss and ARE are probably better, too. Cooley is much better than their TE. The OL isn't as good, IMO. However... it's all about the QB, and Campbell isn't an NFL starter. That makes all the difference in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRay Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No, I do not believe we're lacking the proper personnel to run the WCO. It is a complicated offense people do not realize how complex it is. It will come in time we as fans need to be patient. This team sure can test your patience I know LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Seattle has a QB. There is no comparison between Hasselbach and Campbell. None.Portis is better than anything they have at RB and Moss and ARE are probably better, too. Cooley is much better than their TE. The OL isn't as good, IMO. However... it's all about the QB, and Campbell isn't an NFL starter. That makes all the difference in the world. Man Hasselbeck wasn't a gang buster from day one. He didn't start until his 3rd year but even then his 1st year i the WCO his #'s weren't great. He was brought along slowly in a stable sitaution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TRUTH DETECTOR Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No doubt we need more weapons on the field.Have to help our QB by not dropping balls and while Campbell needs to stop holding the ball.Either throw it away or start scrambling.Feel the long pass to Moss he could have picked up good yardage running.I think coming back from a serious knee injury he is a little tentative to run.Offensive line play has to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguys4 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 there were breakdowns all around , this team looks confused, campbell panics and leaves many ? did the O line get old suddenly? its gonna be a long season, we may win 6 or 7 games if were lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TRUTH DETECTOR Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 But Im not jumping off the ship .We are gonna struggle.Im a Redskin for life.We got a bunch of fans who have played Madden 09 and now they are experts.I recorded the game.They keep seeing all these WRs open?Can someone please tell me where and what quarter so I can see on my DVR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmuJeff Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Yeah we looked like crap, at least they turned it up in the second half a bit (still not good enough though). We only scored those seven points because of penalties. Take those away and we lay a goose egg. I reiterate what someone said above though - our FO picked this coach to install the WCO, it's going to take time and it's not going to be pretty. But we need to STICK with it for a change instead of this knee-jerk BS that they've been doing for the past decade. Seems like as soon a coach shows a glimmer of a system coming into maturity they get fired. Give Zorn time to get his personnel in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Are we lacking the proper personnel to run a WCO? No. We just aren't playing the right QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No. We just aren't playing the right QB. Yeah after carefeul analysis of this offense. Its only Jason Campbell thats the problem. Everything else is OK. Get rid of Jason and the offense will be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 No. We just aren't playing the right QB. I actually feel that the next truly successful QB of this team, the next 'star' QB, is not yet on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Just the QB, I really don't think Campbell is the right fit for the WCO. Its not that he's a bad QB its just the fact that his abilities are suited to a run and gun offense. A lot of shotgun and play action which is opened up by some strong running. In the Bronco's system Campbell would be king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 The personnel wasnt the problem. The problem was none of the personnel was put in a position to make plays. That would be Zorn's fault. Just watching the last 5 minutes of that game proved that the problem lay with Zorn's playcalling(well, and Santana's continuing inability to catch the ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny9TD Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 You need an offensive line that is mean and nasty and a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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