Thinking Skins Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 I understand not wanting to get overly excited, but I would think there is more optimism than pessimism from this article. In short, the guy goes full force at everything he does. That doesn't sound like Norv or Spurrier. As far as how he handles things in certain situations, those questions could be asked of any coach, including Fassel, Cowher or Gregg Williams. Thats depends on how you interpret the article. I think of the fact that he has so much going on, and I'm reminded of the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none". Every coach has questions that people will raise about them. For Williams, one would have been his ability to listen to his players and other people. But Williams, Fassel, and Cowher are not our coach. Zorn is. So whats the point in bringing up the questions I'd have about them being our coach. Whats on my mind is addressing the possible issues concerning our CURRENT head coach. Thats how I have my fun in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Gotcha. At least we have someone who seems humble and isn't coming in thinking they already know it all. (SOS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I understand not wanting to get overly excited, but I would think there is more optimism than pessimism from this article. In short, the guy goes full force at everything he does. That doesn't sound like Norv or Spurrier. As far as how he handles things in certain situations, those questions could be asked of any coach, including Fassel, Cowher or Gregg Williams. Agreed and the one huge advantage Zorn has is a team full of players brought in by Joe Gibbs. The last few years, we have had some hard times, boneheaded mistakes on the sidelines and a few rough seasons, yet everybody on the team stayed strong, gave Gibbs their full devotion and played their guts out every week. I think our team is the perfect spot for a guy like Zorn to get his first shot at HC. We have a group of players who have been underdogs, who are smart and willing. I really like our team right now and the direction we are headed. I really like the Zorn hire. I think he gets the same long rope Gibbs 2.0 got as well as Spurrier. Both allowed to do what they wanted, signed the guys they wanted and when it wasn't working, both allowed to walk away when they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm hoping this guy does well for us, but aren't you required to HAVE laurels before you're allowed to rest on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Thats depends on how you interpret the article. I think of the fact that he has so much going on, and I'm reminded of the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none". It really is a huge stretch to read that article and interpret it in that way if you have paid attention to anything that has been said about him, his focus and work ethic. Not to mention the many direct quotes from Jim Zorn himself. Maybe I could buy it if this was the only thing ever said or written about him, but it's not, not by a long shot. Even then it would be a stretch. Anyone with any interest in the Redskins succeeding has questions about how well he'll do as a head coach. This article just doesn't realistically raise any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 He has laurels to rest on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 He has laurels to rest on? I don't think so either. I don't see any Championship rings on his fingers, unless I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudechain Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Am trying to think of the article just as a fluff, "get to know the coach" piece and not as any insight into his work ethic. But, am worried...given, he didn't know the team's colors, does stairmaster when he could be analyzing game film, and rides his bike to the game instead of sitting on the bus with the troops. After the season ends, I can see a SOS-type resignation message, "Well, my family came first, and our hearts weren't set on Washington. Am going to take some time off, spend some time with the family, and relax while climbing a mountain." Six months later, he rejoins the Seahawks organization as QB coach or Off. coordinator. As I said I hope I'm wrong, I just think there may be some SOS-esque variables and with Snyder's impatience, it could be a one and done year for him. I think your reading a bit to much into this. 1) When I am at the gym, and I use the stairmaster, the television, along with a dvd player is right in front of me. And his workout on this equipment is 45 minutes. At least he is active and concerned about his health. What's to say he can't work on a gameplan, watching film and conversing with the staff while working on the stair master. 2) riding a bike to the games is simply not feasible due to logistics and traffic safety. This was something he used to do as a QB coach. He can still ride his bike, but I dont' think this is a big deal and I doubt Zorn saw this as something he would continue once getting a look at the beltway. 3) Look this time of the year is the time a coach can spend with his family. He has been at all the OTA's and it's been widely reported he worked with the coaching staff implementing his new offensive passing attack. So the man has been putting in the work and is taking a little vacation before getting back to work. If you were to take a vacation from your job does that mean you are not capable of that job? The man cares for his family, his health and realizes there is a lot riding on his shoulders as the coach of the Redskins. Do you honestly think that he is not working as hard as he can to prepare for the season? 4) Players can only attend so many OTA's due to the collective bargaining agreement. At this time, there are no activities the team has organized so the lull before the storm of training camp is upon us. The players are taking some time off before the schedule gets brutal. Is there any reason why a coach can't take the time off? Really, I just don't know where you guys get this stuff. JZ is an unkown as a HC, but looking back, his work ethic has never been a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm hoping this guy does well for us, but aren't you required to HAVE laurels before you're allowed to rest on them? He has laurels to rest on? I don't think so either. I don't see any Championship rings on his fingers' date=' unless I'm missing something.[/quote']I think his laurels are just the fact that he was named the head coach of such a proud franchise in the washington Redskins, as well as his family values and achievements. Those are great accomplishments in themselves. Just because the guy doesn't have a ring doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think his laurels are just the fact that he was named the head coach of such a proud franchise in the washington Redskins, as well as his family values and achievements. Those are great accomplishments in themselves. He was named HC because nobody else on the planet who was even vaguely qualified for the job wanted it. That's not a significant accomplishment so far as I'm concerned. His family achievements have no impact on the ability to lead this team to a Super Bowl in my mind. Just because the guy doesn't have a ring doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished anything. We're going to have to respectfully disagree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 He was named HC because nobody else on the planet who was even vaguely qualified for the job wanted it. That's not a significant accomplishment so far as I'm concerned.His family achievements have no impact on the ability to lead this team to a Super Bowl in my mind. We're going to have to respectfully disagree on that. So I guess according to you, you haven't accomplished anything either since you have no ring...how do you manage to keep your head up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted July 14, 2008 Author Share Posted July 14, 2008 oh and M_SF, you're not quite right about "nobody" wanting the job. Fassel was going all over the radio stations ****ing and moaning about how he wanted the job, was promised the job, but then not given the job because he so strongly recommended Jim Zorn for the offensive coordinator position. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 So I guess according to you, you haven't accomplished anything either since you have no ring...how do you manage to keep your head up? I'm not involved in professional sports, so a championship ring isn't the measure of accomplishment in my field. Now to answer the theme of the question.... no I really haven't "accomplished" much in my career; then again I never really wanted to "accomplish" much in my career. I'm fine being the low-ranking guy who doesn't have to make the decisions. I just carry out the policies. oh and M_SF, you're not quite right about "nobody" wanting the job. Fassel was going all over the radio stations ****ing and moaning about how he wanted the job, was promised the job, but then not given the job because he so strongly recommended Jim Zorn for the offensive coordinator position. I think you missed the word "qualified" in my previous post. In my mind Fassel wasn't qualified, since he'd been previously involved in the NY Giants organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailRiggoRanger Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think your reading a bit to much into this. At this point, I'm just writing the piece off as a fluff piece. I view football as a thinking man's game, and I would have been comfortable if Zorn would have talked about how John Nash was his idol, and he loved to run linear regressions (by hand) in his free time. It seems all of his time is taken by his family and a hodge podge of extreme sports; I don't see how he has any time for intellectual pursuits. The whole article reminded of what was written about SOS back in the day. As I've said, I hope I'm wrong...maybe he challenges his wife to play chess with him as they're climbing a mountain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappun2007 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 no politics in this forum LMAO :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 If I were Zorn I wouldn't ride my bike to the stadium on Sundays. Some ES members may hit his ass with their door as they drove by if he isn't 5-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think you missed the word "qualified" in my previous post. In my mind Fassel wasn't qualified, since he'd been previously involved in the NY Giants organization. I think the operative phrase here is "in my mind" lol...because who knows what the hell's going on inside MSF's mind when it comes to the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think the operative phrase here is "in my mind" lol...because who knows what the hell's going on inside MSF's mind when it comes to the Skins. Actually it shouldn't be tough to figure out at all, Califan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Actually it shouldn't be tough to figure out at all, Califan. Sorry, your "logic" when it comes to the Skins has thrown me more times than I can remember lol ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Sorry, your "logic" when it comes to the Skins has thrown me more times than I can remember lol ... These couple of simple rules should help you understand it... a. Socialism is bad in all forms b. I root for a TEAM, not the league they're in or the sport they play. c. Second Place is still a loser d. Verily thou art paid for thine results, not thine methods, therefore destroy thine enemy by any means possible before he kills you. e. Everyone else is the enemy. You have no friends in a competitive environment. (that's the short list) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosobi Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Losing a game is never easy as a Redskins fan, however, losing by being aggressive makes it a little easier to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 These couple of simple rules should help you understand it...a. Socialism is bad in all forms How's that gonna help me understand what goes on in your head when it comes to the Skins, again?...Did Obama buy the Redskins or something? b. I root for a TEAM, not the league they're in or the sport they play. Um, okaaay lol...I haven't actually seen you root for the Skins, but if that time ever comes, at least I'll know it's because you rooting for the TEAM, and not the NFL. :thumbsup: c. Second Place is still a loser That one, I think I knew lol... d. Verily thou art paid for thine results, not thine methods, therefore destroy thine enemy by any means possible before he kills you. Macbeth, right?... e. Everyone else is the enemy. You have no friends in a competitive environment. Ah, so that explains why you...well, that doesn't really explain too much, actually lol. (that's the short list) Ok, well...that will do, I think lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Losing a game is never easy as a Redskins fan, however, losing by being aggressive makes it a little easier to swallow. Unless that aggresiveness leads to stupid play or stupid calls, and they lead to the loss. Imagine being down by three points to the Cowboys with 10 seconds left, and on their 20 yard line. Aggressive play may have us taking another shot into the end zone and going for the win, while conservative play may have us just kicking a field goal and going for OT. Well, if the shot into the end zone ends up getting picked off by a bad throw or bad QB decision, it's extraordinarily heartbreaking. If we make the field goal, but then lose in OT, that would be easier to take imo. Think of Ramsey's INT with under 2 minutes to go against the Eagles, and the Skins right at their red zone. A field goal ties it up and we possibly pull off the upset of the year as well as keep our realistic playoff hopes alive. His INT was maddening, frustrating, irritating...seemed like all the hard work and physical play that came before got flushed down the toilet. Perhaps a few runs would have better served us at that moment of that game, I dunno. But in general, yeah I agree...stay aggressive throughout the game, don't go into a conservative shell just because you have the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 How's that gonna help me understand what goes on in your head when it comes to the Skins, again?...Did Obama buy the Redskins or something? No, but if you can look at the NFL and its most recently successful teams and not see the taint of socialism in the league and the systems of those successful teams then we probably really don't have anything to talk about on any topic. Um, okaaay lol...I haven't actually seen you root for the Skins, but if that time ever comes, at least I'll know it's because you rooting for the TEAM, and not the NFL. Obviously you missed the point.... That it appears to me that most fans now root for the LEAGUE as much as they do for any single team; which is something I don't do. I don't watch non-Redskins games. I don't pay attention to or care about any team other than the Redskins. Macbeth, right?.... Nope. Richard Marcinko, Lt. Cmdr, US Navy (Ret.)... the first commander of SEAL Team 6 (The Navy's Counter-terrorist force) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 He seems like he would love to have a high octane offense. I hope he is the kind of coach that doen's relax unless there is a 28 point lead. I hope he's the kind of coach who can get a 28 point lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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