Oldfan Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 Yup, 9-6 record as a starter and throwing what 20+td on a team with no talent at WR and a 2nd year TE in cooley. 9-6 record? That's a cherry-picked stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr2h Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 JC and Ramsey both had overrated deep balls...fans mistake a strong arm for a good deep ball. Brunell threw a better deep ball than either of them, as evidenced by Santana Moss' 2005 season. Ramsey had a much quicker release, more zip on the ball, and was better at hitting receivers in stride than JC. JC has better pocket presence, scrambling ability, makes safer decisions (for better or for worse), and is better at improvising when the play breaks down. I also feel like JC's 2007 season was the best season either of them played (although I'll never forget that season where Ramsey got pummeled play after play). I like Patrick Ramsey a lot. I thought he got shafted big time in 2005 (although Brunell eventually won me over). I didn't like the way he got treated here. I still firmly believe that if we had let Ramsey start all of 2005, 2006, and 2007 that he would be a top 10 QB in the league by now, and our QB situation would be solid. But at this point in his career I don't think it makes sense to bring him back. He's got to be 30+ years old at this point, and he would still be about as much of a project as JC is currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Umm, did we just erase 2004 and 2006? Brunell's record as starter for the Redskins is 15-18,.And Santana Moss / Clinton Portis / Chris Cooley / Joe Gibbs / Top 10 Defense is still better than Ramsey having to field a team with only Coles as his legitimate weapon. The rest of his supporting cast included Trung Candidate / Rod Gardner / Steve Spurrier / Bottom 10 Defense. Santana Moss is not even a top 20 WR in this league. 2006 was entirely Saunder's fault. Brunell is not a fit for that system. 2004, did we forget that teams knew what we were running and we flat out stunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Since this IS the 2008 offseason, do I have to wait till opening day to bump this or can I just do it during pre-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 :laugh: :chug: .....pass that ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I think you missed that one by a long ways. lol.... Saying Colt will ever make an NFL roster is a stretch at this point. You are right. Zorn is not very smart. Why would he pick a projected 1st rounder who happens to fall to the 6th round because the scouts didn't like his weight or the minor hip surgery. Maybe, Zorn doesn't have an eye for a good QB when he sees one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 Can I bump it when it doesnt? Sure. I figure some idiot will. Why not you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 It takes FOREVER for Ramsey to make a decision. He gets sacked a lot no matter what offense he's playing in. Remember when Timmy Hasslebeck came in off the street? Far from even an average qb, he didn't get sacked nearly as much because he saw the field and got rid of the ball so much faster than Ramsey. Ramsey also tends to panic when his first read is covered. I don't even know why we're debating this. If JC proves not to be the answer, there's about 60 or so other qbs the skins will look at before they bring Ramsey in. But hey, I wish Patrick well. Class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 You are right. Zorn is not very smart. Why would he pick a projected 1st rounder who happens to fall to the 6th round because the scouts didn't like his weight or the minor hip surgery. Maybe, Zorn doesn't have an eye for a good QB when he sees one. He was never really considered a 1st round talent, but only be the media. I guess 31 other teams failed to get him for the first 5 rounds and we drafted a punter before him. Just shows you his worth. Zorn wanted Josh Johnson, not Colt Brennan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Zorn wanted Josh Johnson, not Colt Brennan Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor4Life Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 My idea of a good retirement would be swallowing Viagra by the handful and having foursomes with asian prostitutes. But I guess I might be able to find some time to piss off all of the younglings with a crazy ass hypothesis now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedskinDaddy Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 While were at it, maybe we can bring in Heath Shuler as well? Oh! And Jeff George. That has Superbowl all over it. L-O-L. Don't forget Gus now... Or did you Frerotte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydigytel Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 you're using too much viagra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 With all due respect OldFan. Ok, so that means even if Jason does struggle that we would turn to Todd. Are you saying we just would release Jason? B/c there is no way Todd or Jason or Patrick is going to be the 3rd stringer. Plus what does that mean for Colt? We keeping 4 QBs? No way this ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 He's got to be 30+ years old at this point, and he would still be about as much of a project as JC is currently. I just checked, he'll be 30 in 2009. Why would he be a project given his experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrenkels Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Cal Boller or Patrick Ramsey, both hear footsteps in there sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 He was never really considered a 1st round talent, but only be the media. I guess 31 other teams failed to get him for the first 5 rounds and we drafted a punter before him. Just shows you his worth. Zorn wanted Josh Johnson, not Colt Brennan He was projected between 1st and 2nd round. Regardless. Zorn on Colt: "[The hip surgery] was a little bit of a concern, but not enough for me to pass on him," Zorn said. "He has had the kind of career where he has played a lot. I think he understands what it is going to take to commit to learning [the Redskins' offense]. Don't you think this is interesting that Zorn didn't pass on him even when no one else picked him up. Does that tell you something. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I gave my reasons in the OP for those opinions.There are lots of examples of QBs who, when they land in the right situation, come up surprising people. I think Ramsey will do that for the reasons explained. The Jets wanted a dink and dunk passing game because they didn't have the talent to play any other way. If you wanted to play that kind of game, can you think of a better QB than Chad Pennington? Isn't the WCO based on dinking and dunking and letting your receiver get alot of YAC? Bad fit for Ramsey, because that's what we're running now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Honestly, I wanted him back when he re-signed with the Broncos, but not now. If Jason is a disaster and Todd can't handle the load, look for us to use a first rounder on a QB. Gibran Hamdan is available too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydigytel Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 i didn't even know patrick ramsey was still in the league if he does come back to the redskins, it will be at least his 4th team and he couldn't earn the starting role in ny and denver no no no baaboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 My idea of a good retirement would be swallowing Viagra by the handful and having foursomes with asian prostitutes. But I guess I might be able to find some time to piss off all of the younglings with a crazy ass hypothesis now and then. Oh, but it's highly unlikely my OP will piss off the younger set. If anything, ridiculing such a longshot possibility allows them to feel superior to me -- and a little self-esteem is something they sadly need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I can't believe I read all the replies to this. But I should point out that most ES'ers disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I like it. SB here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Its just so far fetched. Besides JC will be a top 5 QB in this O. Set back and enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Joe was proven wrong. Brunell, whose skills were declining played with more talent around him than Ramsey had with Spurrier yet their win pct. was the same, about 45% as I recall.You can't possibly justify Joe's move in hindsight. All you have to do is look at the won-lost records. Im not sure thats the best way to view their sucess. They went to the playoffs that year. Had the first 10 win season in how long? Won a wild card playoff game in TB. Brunell just didnt have much more in the tank past that season and maybe during it. He fizzled out (could have been due to the significant changes in that following offseason which may not have been great moves) To say it was the wrong move assumes Ramsey would have done better and the team would have done better with Ramsey at the helm. Pure speculation. Marky Mark posted 3000 yards in the air, 23 TDs to 10 INTs at a 58% clip thats a pretty good season. In comparison, Pat Ramsey has never posted more TDs to INTs. Im just not sure how you can say it was positively a wrong move to put in a vet who has had probowl years for a guy who has struggled. But I will say this. Pat was tough and really wasnt anything more than shaken up when he got pulled. He probably could have played by at worst the next game. I do think that Joe might have pulled him early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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