skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Earlier today I was listening to the radio (czaban show) and they were talking about the skins win. They then played a clip from gregg williams after the game. He said something along the lines of they were comfortable with the 22-3 lead and that they would lay off a bit, and that if the Giants were to pull within ONE score they would start attacking again. Guys we had that lead at the beginning of the second half and they then decidid to start playing clock games. God I hate this mentality, this is why we lose these leads all the time because we don't attack. We were moving the ball at will against them and Gibbs decides to call off the dogs. I don't understand I don't see ANY other coach in the NFL pull this crap except Gibbs. The defense stopped attacking Eli, and they strated moving the ball on us. If it weren't for some timely drops, this game could have ended in devastating fashion again. It just so happened to work this time because the Giants stunk up the field, and it scares me because Gibbs might think it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I agree we have blown 5 leads this season in the second half... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 They did it because the Giants' Offense couldn't get out of its own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiplomat Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah, we sit on leads, and teams that sit on leads are poor or average at best, case in pt. 7-7. I believe we are a better team that our record implies. We should be 10-3 or better. We have lost what? 5 halftime leads. Someone has got to see this trend and address it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Did u see that stat? Gibbs leads the league in losing leads at halftime in past 4 years. Hell with 5 mins to go, they ran it 3 times and took over about 15 seconds off the clock and gave the giants the ball back right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It was the right thing to do in that situation. They have gone too conservative too early in other games this year IMO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah, we sit on leads, and teams that sit on leads are poor or average at best, case in pt. 7-7. I believe we are a better team that our record implies. We should be 10-3 or better. We have lost what? 5 halftime leads. Someone has got to see this trend and address it You would think Gibbs would, but he just keeps on doing it, and we keep on losing. Thank god the Giants sucked last night otherwise it would be another second half meltdown added to the Gibbs II regime. Thank you Amani Toomer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 They did it because the Giants' Offense couldn't get out of its own way. Bingo. They said that during the broadcast as well. No reason to attack if they can't execute. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 You would think Gibbs would, but he just keeps on doing it, and we keep on losing. Thank god the Giants sucked last night otherwise it would be another second half meltdown added to the Gibbs II regime. Thank you Amani Toomer. You think we 1 b/c toomer dropped 1 ball. come on man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 They still got to the redzone on that last drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 It was the right thing to do in that situation. They have gone too conservative too early in other games this year IMO though. No it's never the right thing to do. You don't let up on a team when your imposing your will on them, the goal of this game is to crush your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I am fine letting off the pedal if you are up 4 scores, but anything less than is dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 You think we 1 b/c toomer dropped 1 ball. come on man... That's not what I'm saying, but you can't deny that was a guaranteed TD he dropped. That would have put the Giants at 22-17, with over a quarter still left to play, a completely new ball game. Sure the skins could have found a way to still pull it out but why put yourself in that situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Welcome to Redskins football under Gibbs/Williams. Dip your foot in....the water is warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 No it's never the right thing to do. You don't let up on a team when your imposing your will on them, the goal of this game is to crush your opponent. :laugh: Silly me, I thought the goal was to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It was the right thing to do in that situation. They have gone too conservative too early in other games this year IMO though. I agree, with the wind the way it was last night, throwing the ball was dicey at best. Better to play it close to the vest and hold a lead than tempt fate with potential turnovers that give the Giants field position. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 That's not what I'm saying, but you can't deny that was a guaranteed TD he dropped. That would have put the Giants at 22-17, with over a quarter still left to play, a completely new ball game. Sure the skins could have found a way to still pull it out but why put yourself in that situation? I don't think that playing conservatively put us in that situation. We were trying to make sure they didn't get a quick score on a big play. You keep blitzing against Eli and Plax and sooner or later they're going to burn you. I don't like the prevent defense either, but it was the smart thing to do in that situation. It worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 look at the elements the game was played in before you start ripping gw for this comment. there was no reason to let anybody get behind us the way the wind was affecting the balls. it was the right call. make eli check it down or force a fluttering duck for a turnover. would you really have rathered have us coming hard and giving plaxico a chance to catch a slant with no coverage and turn an 8 yard gain into a 60 yard td? come on people. we won the game convincingly. the coaching was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 I don't think that playing conservatively put us in that situation. We were trying to make sure they didn't get a quick score on a big play. You keep blitzing against Eli and Plax and sooner or later they're going to burn you. I don't like the prevent defense either, but it was the smart thing to do in that situation. It worked. I can buy that, but Eli is Eli. If he's trying to mount a comeback and were in his face all the time he will make critical mistakes, which in turn could end the game. The thing with prevent is sure they won't burn you in one play, but in about six or seven plays or less they're knocking on the endzone door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 look at the elements the game was played in before you start ripping gw for this comment. there was no reason to let anybody get behind us the way the wind was affecting the balls. it was the right call. make eli check it down or force a fluttering duck for a turnover. would you really have rathered have us coming hard and giving plaxico a chance to catch a slant with no coverage and turn an 8 yard gain into a 60 yard td?come on people. we won the game convincingly. the coaching was fine. It's not just this game though. We do this all the time, one of the contributing reasons we have lost so many leads this year. Sure we give the Giants a chance at a big play, but with Eli at the helm trying to make a comeback he will tend to force things when he is under duress. When he is given all day he will pick us apart just like any QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It's not just this game though. We do this all the time, one of the contributing reasons we have lost so many leads this year. Sure we give the Giants a chance at a big play, but with Eli at the helm trying to make a comeback he will tend to force things when he is under duress. When he is given all day he will pick us apart just like any QB in the NFL. The problem, tho, hasn't been the defense most of the time, but the offense incapable of keeping things going. If you can't keep the ball offensively and score, it is hard for the defense to keep pitching a shutout. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Earlier today I was listening to the radio (czaban show) and they were talking about the skins win. They then played a clip from gregg williams after the game. He said something along the lines of they were comfortable with the 22-3 lead and that they would lay off a bit, and that if the Giants were to pull within ONE score they would start attacking again. Guys we had that lead at the beginning of the second half and they then decidid to start playing clock games. God I hate this mentality, this is why we lose these leads all the time because we don't attack. We were moving the ball at will against them and Gibbs decides to call off the dogs. I don't understand I don't see ANY other coach in the NFL pull this crap except Gibbs. The defense stopped attacking Eli, and they strated moving the ball on us. If it weren't for some timely drops, this game could have ended in devastating fashion again. It just so happened to work this time because the Giants stunk up the field, and it scares me because Gibbs might think it works. This is the kind of BS posting on this board where people continue to twist coache's words etc. If you'd have watched the game or at least understood the "GW philosophy", you'd have recognized that prior to those last two or three defensive series we blitzed and sacked Eli for a huge loss. They scored 10 fuggin' points the entire game. We've only given up two TD's in the last 4 games. Bend but don't break has always worked for us when we've played "in position" on defense. It especially works when your qb doesn't turn the ball over multiple times in consecutive games late in the 4th quarter. It always works, and many...yes many...teams do the same exact thing with a two TD (essentially) or more lead. "ANY" other coach would have done the same thing knowing that if we needed to get pressure had they scored, we could have. Why risk an explosive play by gambling with a blitz when they're down by 12 points? It worked to perfection. Why not recognize that our offense has finally learned how to not turn the ball over and to run the clock out and win the game? This gameplan works every time, and it will continue to work if we play the same way that we have for the past two games. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 It's not just this game though. We do this all the time, one of the contributing reasons we have lost so many leads this year. Sure we give the Giants a chance at a big play, but with Eli at the helm trying to make a comeback he will tend to force things when he is under duress. When he is given all day he will pick us apart just like any QB in the NFL. our problem all year has been our offense's failure to pick up 4th down conversions in the 4th quarter, it has had absolutely nothing to do with how we have played defense. (pats game aside). the only coaching mistake that was made last night was going for 2. that is all any of us have a right to piss and moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4comp Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 For all those people saying "The giants couldn't get out of their own way.." Thats total BS, just because they couldn't catch on the previous drive doesn't mean they couldn't put a drive or two together when it counted (or even get lucky, much like our win in Big D).. Just face it, Joe Gibbs doesn't have what it takes to coach in today's league, hes too soft.. Tell me, could you honestly see any other coach in the NFL doing the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 This is the kind of BS posting on this board where people continue to twist coache's words etc. If you'd have watched the game or at least understood the "GW philosophy", you'd have recognized that prior to those last two or three defensive series we blitzed and sacked Eli for a huge loss. They scored 10 fuggin' points the entire game. We've only given up two TD's in the last 4 games. Bend but don't break has always worked for us when we've played "in position" on defense. It especially works when your qb doesn't turn the ball over multiple times in consecutive games late in the 4th quarter. It always works, and many...yes many...teams do the same exact thing with a two TD (essentially) or more lead. "ANY" other coach would have done the same thing knowing that if we needed to get pressure had they scored, we could have. Why risk an explosive play by gambling with a blitz when they're down by 12 points? It worked to perfection. Why not recognize that our offense has finally learned how to not turn the ball over and to run the clock out and win the game? This gameplan works every time, and it will continue to work if we play the same way that we have for the past two games. :2cents: Many other teams use this philosphy, lol.:laugh: No teams blitz and blitz hard when there up because teams are more prone to turnovers in comeback situations. And they scored 10 fuggin points because of some timely drops. Yeah two TD to the explosive Chicago Bears, and the butterfinger Giants. I say stick with what got you the lead, don't let them drive it down the field on you and score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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