tone_dubbz Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uoJaO7njjc See the difference between CP and Betts on the same running play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Yeah, no, if Betts had followed Sellers he wouldn't have gotten nearly as close, he would have tripped over his lineman's legs in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachingWinsChampionships Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Watch #62 on those 2 plays and tell me that there is no difference in those situations. Then watch #66 drive his man and fall to the ground in Ladell's path. Betts may have possibly made it outside on that carry, but I don't have a problem whatsoever with him cutting it up inside of Kendall there. He should, however, have been able to get low and keep his legs pumping so that he could fall forward enough for the TD there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrredskinDgreen Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Man, this is exactly what I have been trying to explain to people since sunday. I appreciate you putting this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drums and skins Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Betts was going on his own feel or vision. It didn't work. Now we're left to criticize because it didn't work. Though, all things considered, going left on the play would have made sense not just because of the blocking, but because if he is forced out, the clock stops and the offense can regroup without the clock winding down. Oh well. We still have a winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone_dubbz Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 Man, this is exactly what I have been trying to explain to people since sunday. I appreciate you putting this up. Yeah, CP scored on the same freaking play. Betts tried to cut it back, but the LB's had a good angle on it. Either way, CP should have been in there and not Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 CP def would have scored on that play if he was in, no argument. But you can't tell me Betts didn't make the right cut. Following Sellers to the outside there does not result in gained yardage or out of bounds. He would have tripped on the o-lineman's (66) extended legs almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 When Betts cut, the hole was there, but #55 blew it up and made the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachingWinsChampionships Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Betts was going on his own feel or vision. It didn't work. Now we're left to criticize because it didn't work.Though, all things considered, going left on the play would have made sense not just because of the blocking, but because if he is forced out, the clock stops and the offense can regroup without the clock winding down. Oh well. We still have a winning record. There was plenty of time on the clock and it was already third down. Time really wasn't a factor once you got to that point. Even the announcers pointed out that there was no reason for JC to hurry the offense to the line out of the huddle and rush the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunBunch7 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Good find Tone_Dubbz Maybe you should take Saunders place...seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Man it hurts to watch Betts try to cut straight into the end zone when there's an unattended hole right to the left. I like Betts a lot but we should've had CP in there on that play. They're NOT interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaimeDeCurry Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 He should, however, have been able to get low and keep his legs pumping so that he could fall forward enough for the TD there. Yeah, this is the only problem I have with Betts down at the goal line. He just never seems to lower his shoulders and drive into the endzone. He's great when he gets going north/south for a few yards before contact, but down where the bodies are flying he just doesn't have that push that you get from lowering your frame by bending your knees and churning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 He should, however, have been able to get low and keep his legs pumping so that he could fall forward enough for the TD there. He lost a lot of that momentum when his left leg had to keep from tripping over the defenders leg. Both his legs were sorta curled up by the time he was being tackled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Here's the unstated difference: When Portis ran this play, the OL had the Giants DL pushed back into the endzone. When Betts ran it, they were expecting the play, and their DL blew up the line of scrimmage and had already pushed our guys back. If Betts tries running that all the way to the left, he gets thrown for a big loss. Whereas Portis had a clear running lane ahead of him, for Betts to make it behind Sellers, he would've had to retreat two more yards and then move in, but seeing how the OL were getting pushed back, it's doubtful it would've worked. You can argue whether this is on the playcall for not trying something unexpected, or whether it's on Samuels and Kendall for not getting an uphill push, but Portis wouldn't have made it through behind Sellers on the other play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Here's the unstated difference:When Portis ran this play, the OL had the Giants DL pushed back into the endzone. When Betts ran it, they were expecting the play, and their DL blew up the line of scrimmage and had already pushed our guys back. If Betts tries running that all the way to the left, he gets thrown for a big loss. Whereas Portis had a clear running lane ahead of him, for Betts to make it behind Sellers, he would've had to retreat two more yards and then move in, but seeing how the OL were getting pushed back, it's doubtful it would've worked. You can argue whether this is on the playcall for not trying something unexpected, or whether it's on Samuels and Kendall for not getting an uphill push, but Portis wouldn't have made it through behind Sellers on the other play either. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb mul-key Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 he did not follow his lead blocker...Sellers. If he had and could have hopped the o linemans leg he would have scored...no doubt...see how suprised Sellars looks that Betss took it inside...given that Sellars could have gone inside as well and if Ladell followed we would have scored...that play was winnable...we should have scored!!!! Not a great call...but bad execution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSince87 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 im a clinton over betts fan anyday but its hard to see what he sees even though portis gets in on 3rd down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asnpcwiz Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Betts was going on his own feel or vision. It didn't work. Now we're left to criticize because it didn't work. This is what a number 1 does...that's why you hire a number 1 back. They are the ones with feel and vision. Betts is not that. That is why we have CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 he did not follow his lead blocker...Sellers. If he had and could have hopped the o linemans leg he would have scored...no doubt...see how suprised Sellars looks that Betss took it inside...given that Sellars could have gone inside as well and if Ladell followed we would have scored...that play was winnable...we should have scored!!!!Not a great call...but bad execution.... You can't hop something you can't see. Sellers ran through a hole that collapsed immediately after him. Betts would have had to have been psychic to hop the legs in front of him. Up the middle was the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uoJaO7njjcSee the difference between CP and Betts on the same running play. Whoever made this video should put on the pads and show us how it's done. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone_dubbz Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 Whoever made this video should put on the pads and show us how it's done. :doh: Well.........#46 showed how it shouldn't be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 There's no way he would have at least made it to the pylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramirez415 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 great job ToneDubbz I don't know why people keep saying Portis would have triped over the feet of #66, Portis would have easily steped around them or hoped over them, we have all seen him do it a 100 times, Betts doesn't have that ability. Also if Portis would have cut that inside he just runs over the LB, Betts is just a pu$$y and can't fight for the extra yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 CP def would have scored on that play if he was in, no argument. Way to much presumption considering the left side of the line got blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 People are just grasping at straws to make themselves feel better about what might have been. Fact is Betts did the best he could and Portis could have missed the inzone too. You can argue it to death but the o-line was blown and the run got plugged. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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