Destino Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Long before the UFC when MMA got no attention at all and kick boxing conjured images of Jean-Claude Van Damme... kids used to train in Tai Kwan Do and Karate. People used to think these art forms taught you to seriously kick some ass. Now they seem to be openly laughed up by many. Has the obvious success of Muy Thai and JuJitsu in the MMA competitions (judo makes itself known ever now and then too) placed them ahead of the more popular and widespread disciplines in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 There is a big difference between competitive martial arts and what your average student learns. The common Tae Kwon Do and Karate are still effective in your average self defense situation where, in all likelihood, you will not be going up against a martial arts expert, but rather some punk. The MMAs are designed to beat anyone, including someone with an understanding of a single style/type of martial arts. They will of course be effective in a self-defense situtation, but have been geared towards, and are very effective in competitive martial arts situations where it is not restricted to a single style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 all it would take is one fighter who specializes in tkd to do well in MMA to change the perception. the problem lies that other forms of martial arts are more conclusive to being successful in mma which in a way marginalizes tkd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Does wrestling count as a martial art? Many if not most of the top MMA competitors started as wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNintendoChalmers Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Kids still train in TKD and Karate. Not that effective but parents will still send kids there. Keeps them out the house and makes the kids feel like they're doing something. When I have kids I won't be putting them up in these McDojos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I've noticed its all about Mui Thai and Jiu Jitsu now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 i think it make the opinion worse. martial art's role is to teach life lessons about discipline and self improvement not beating someone to a bloody pulp for money and fame. i can imagine there are more people joining MA for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Loads of dojos are now MMA (in name at least) because a little knowledge in all areas has been shown to beat a highly skilled specialist. So yes. Funny thing is a good striker is still better in a street fight because no matter how good you are one on one street fights are rarely such so if you are on the ground pounding or breaking bones your head is getting stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think it really depends on what people want out of the experience. The "McDojos" as someone referred to them are great for parents and kids who have no real idea what they're doing. Tai Kwon Do, Jujitsu and some of the other less traditionally common forms are becoming more well known through MMA and other venues. For me personally, I've never really found a martial art I felt I could excell in that had a philosophy I agree with, so I tend to ignore most of them. I have other ways of defending myself if that becomes absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 Does wrestling count as a martial art?Many if not most of the top MMA competitors started as wrestlers. I'm sorry for leaving that out. Wrestling is a great start for MMA though most add submissions on top of their wrestling knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Does wrestling count as a martial art?Many if not most of the top MMA competitors started as wrestlers. Yeah I think it does some of the most popular stars in MMA use wrestling as a base to their style, this includes guys like Randy Couture and Kevin Randleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I'm sorry for leaving that out. Wrestling is a great start for MMA though most add submissions on top of their wrestling knowledge. Yeah I think it does some of the most popular stars in MMA use wrestling as a base to their style, this includes guys like Randy Couture and Kevin Randleman. Off the top of my head, UFC guys whose MMA background began as wrestlers: Randy Couture Chuck Liddell Rampage Jackson Rashad Evans Tito Ortiz Matt Hughes Diego Sanchez Sean Sherk Josh Koscheck If the question is "what would you put your kids into?" mine are going to wrestle. Just like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 For me personally, I've never really found a martial art I felt I could excell in that had a philosophy I agree with, Goddamn liberal Jujitsu masters. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 If the question is "what would you put your kids into?" mine are going to wrestle. Just like me. If I can find Muy Thai and JuJitsu for toddlers, they are going in! lol When some jerk takes me 5 year olds crayon I want him to put the bully on his back and pound him into submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Goddamn liberal Jujitsu masters. :laugh: It's not the politics, it's the "fight philosophy" that I have a problem with in the forms I've looked at to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 When I have kids I won't be putting them up in these McDojos. Don't discount the "McDojo's" It's all about the instructor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 It's not the politics, it's the "fight philosophy" that I have a problem with in the forms I've looked at to date. "We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy." I think I have the perfect instructor for you. His name is John Kreese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 "We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here' date=' in the streets, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy."I think I have the perfect instructor for you. His name is John Kreese.[/quote'] That's the opposite end of the extreme, and not what I'm looking for either. I've actually found one or two of THOSE in real-life (as compared to the Karate Kid movies) as well and I was even less impressed with them than I was with many of the others. What I've been looking for is a relatively simple self-defense based form (I have no real interest in competition-only forms) that doesn't try to force an absolute defense-only, minimum force necessary philosophy along with it. So far I haven't been able to find anything that I felt would work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 It's not the politics, it's the "fight philosophy" that I have a problem with in the forms I've looked at to date. That's the opposite end of the extreme, and not what I'm looking for either. I've actually found one or two of THOSE in real-life (as compared to the Karate Kid movies) as well and I was even less impressed with them than I was with many of the others. What I've been looking for is a relatively simple self-defense based form (I have no real interest in competition-only forms) that doesn't try to force an absolute defense-only, minimum force necessary philosophy along with it. So far I haven't been able to find anything that I felt would work for me. LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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