Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 WRT the supposed health care crisis, I just don't see it. I pay 10 dollars as a co-pay for regular doctor & dentist visits, 20 collars for a specialist. I have a large list of doctors I can choose from. I just don't see how our health system is broken. I've yet to encounter any problems with my plan. How nice for you. Do you suppose that, perhaps, not everyone is in the same situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgSkinFan Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 How nice for you. Do you suppose that, perhaps, not everyone is in the same situation? I'd be surprised if the number is as high as 50 million! I know a pretty good cross section of people in the DC area, and they all have decent health coverage. I realize that's anecdotal, but I just have to wonder if this whole "health care crisis" is being overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'd be surprised if the number is as high as 50 million! I know a pretty good cross section of people in the DC area, and they all have decent health coverage. I realize that's anecdotal, but I just have to wonder if this whole "health care crisis" is being overblown. According to Census date, it was 43.7 million people in 1998. It has gone up since then. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E05E7DF1239F935A1575AC0A96E958260 Only two thirds of employers provide health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'd be surprised if the number is as high as 50 million! I know a pretty good cross section of people in the DC area, and they all have decent health coverage. I realize that's anecdotal, but I just have to wonder if this whole "health care crisis" is being overblown. Think about the people who make minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Fox News on Sicko: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273875,00.html 'Sicko' Shows Michael Moore's Maturity as a FilmmakerSunday , May 20, 2007 By Roger Friedman Filmmaker Michael Moore's brilliant and uplifting new documentary, "Sicko," deals with the failings of the U.S. healthcare system, both real and perceived. But this time around, the controversial documentarian seems to be letting the subject matter do the talking, and in the process shows a new maturity. Unlike many of his previous films ("Roger and Me," "Bowling for Columbine," "Fahrenheit 9-11"), "Sicko" works because in this one there are no confrontations. Moore smartly lets very articulate average Americans tell their personal horror stories at the hands of insurance companies. The film never talks down or baits the audience. "This film is a call to action," Moore said at a press conference on Saturday. "It's also not a partisan film." Indeed, in "Sicko," Moore criticizes both Democrats and Republicans for their inaction and in some cases their willingness to be bribed by pharmaceutical companies and insurance carriers. In a key moment in the film, Moore takes a group of patients by boat to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba because of its outstanding medical care. When they can't get into the U.S. naval base, Moore proceeds onto Havana where the patients are treated well and cheaply. This has caused a great deal of controversy, with the federal government launching an investigation into the trip, which officials say was in violation of the trade and commerce embargo against the Communist country. "This administration flaunts the law, flaunts the constitution," Moore said at the press conference, explaining the flap over the trip to Cuba. Moore now claims the U.S. government says his Cuban footage may be illegal, and Moore said he made a second master copy of "Sicko" and had it shipped it to France immediately just in case of potential government issues. Searched and didn't see this posted anywhere so maybe some of you hadn't read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'd be surprised if the number is as high as 50 million! I know a pretty good cross section of people in the DC area, and they all have decent health coverage. I realize that's anecdotal, but I just have to wonder if this whole "health care crisis" is being overblown. I'd agree that most have decent health coverage. But far too often the insurance companies do what they can to avoid paying a claim. They intentionally make it difficult to get claims paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I might add that even though our system is completely borked and needs fixing, there are things about it that are worth preserving, and even though Moore may be identifying a real problem, the solution that he would advocate is unlikely to be the best solution. Disagreeing with people before you even know what they're going to say. Welcome to 21st century discourse in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Disagreeing with people before you even know what they're going to say. Welcome to 21st century discourse in America. I guess that is true. I was assuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 WRT the supposed health care crisis, I just don't see it. I pay 10 dollars as a co-pay for regular doctor & dentist visits, 20 collars for a specialist. I have a large list of doctors I can choose from. I just don't see how our health system is broken. I've yet to encounter any problems with my plan. You have to wait until you get sick. Sure, it doesn't cost anything when you visit, but once you get sick and require X amount of treatments and the insurance gives you 1/4 of the required amount- THAN YOU WILL SEE THE CRISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 WRT the supposed health care crisis, I just don't see it. I pay 10 dollars as a co-pay for regular doctor & dentist visits, 20 collars for a specialist. I have a large list of doctors I can choose from. I just don't see how our health system is broken. I've yet to encounter any problems with my plan. This is like Paris Hilton saying she doesn't see a housing market slow down, after all her house is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmorina69 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 When is Sarge going to give his 2 cents?? I dont know enough about health care to make valid points pro or con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 You have to wait until you get sick. Sure, it doesn't cost anything when you visit, but once you get sick and require X amount of treatments and the insurance gives you 1/4 of the required amount- THAN YOU WILL SEE THE CRISIS. only if you didnt carry the proper amount of coverage and that lies on the insured's shoulders, not the insurance company. You arent "owed" X amount of treatments that you didnt contract for. There is no "Crisis" in insurance. That's a manufactured political flavor of the decade. It's a symptom of making poor choices in your own personal health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 only if you didnt carry the proper amount of coverage and that lies on the insured's shoulders, not the insurance company. You arent "owed" X amount of treatments that you didnt contract for. There is no "Crisis" in insurance. That's a manufactured political flavor of the decade. It's a symptom of making poor choices in your own personal health care. ^^^^ Probably true, but please don't pretend that insurance companies cover all legitimate claims. There's a reason the bad faith law pertaining to insurance is a mile long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 ^^^^Probably true, but please don't pretend that insurance companies cover all legitimate claims. There's a reason the bad faith law pertaining to insurance is a mile long. Of course there are those instances, it would be blind to not understand that fact. It's the perception that it's a pandemic scenario where greedy board rooms of large insurers are plotting how to rob the dude with cancer this week, that are the BS. As in anything else in life, as you increase the size of the sample, it will take on chachteristics of the whole. If considering the sheer enormity of the volume of claims that need to be adjudicated on a daily basis (in the hundreds of thousands to millions in many cases) you would be foolish not to expect some things gone wrong. What woukd the proportion of bad claims to good? At least this metric will gain you some perspective of the size of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Why are we 37th? Because we have a huge population? Of course it has flaws, but what other country would you prefer to be treated in? I wish someone on here actually understood how we got ranked 37th. A little research and you can see the rankings. The 37th ranking imo based on the way they did it left alot to be desired. But Michael Moore gets to fill his belly on the study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I wish someone on here actually understood how we got ranked 37th. A little research and you can see the rankings.The 37th ranking imo based on the way they did it left alot to be desired. But Michael Moore gets to fill his belly on the study. so true. We also have the official "worst country to raise a child" status (of a select group of countires) so don't stress it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 You have to wait until you get sick. Sure, it doesn't cost anything when you visit, but once you get sick and require X amount of treatments and the insurance gives you 1/4 of the required amount- THAN YOU WILL SEE THE CRISIS.I don't buy it. Editing my personal info out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 only if you didnt carry the proper amount of coverage and that lies on the insured's shoulders, not the insurance company. You arent "owed" X amount of treatments that you didnt contract for. There is no "Crisis" in insurance. That's a manufactured political flavor of the decade. It's a symptom of making poor choices in your own personal health care. Or not having the ability to purchase said healthcare, even though you work full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I don't buy it. ... Yes, the system has flaws. Yes, there needs to be some control on the rising prices. But I would not turn to any other country for care..... Yes, you had good insurance. Our system works fine for you (and me). The guy next door who works at Walmart or McDonald's has no insurance, and the guy on the other side of you who got laid off 3 months ago has no insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Or not having the ability to purchase said healthcare, even though you work full time.Dude, anyone can apply to Kaiser/Blue Cross/United/Aetna for coverage. You just have to pay for the coverage. Just like any other kind of insurance - car, rental, home owners. You always have the option of buying coverage. It is just a matter of how high a priority your coverage is to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Yes, you had good insurance. Our system works fine for you (and me).The guy next door who works at Walmart or McDonald's has no insurance, and the guy on the other side of you who got laid off 3 months ago has no insurance. It was an HMO.Editing personal info out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 and probably some ****ing from those that haven't seen it. Oh hell, yeah people are going to *****. What else is new. Who would ***** about a movie before they have seen it? That wouldn't happen would it? On second thought nevermind of course some will:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 It was Kaiser. Kaiser is good. Probably the best HMO out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Dude, anyone can apply to Kaiser/Blue Cross/United/Aetna for coverage. You just have to pay for the coverage. Just like any other kind of insurance - car, rental, home owners. You always have the option of buying coverage. It is just a matter of how high a priority your coverage is to you... When the cost of insurance is not subsided by your employer and your income is low, you can't. If you have a preexisting medical condition, you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 When the cost of insurance is not subsided by your employer and your income is low, you can't.We did. It wasn't subsidized. We paid out of our pocket, full price. And it wasn'y that expensive. It was like $160/month. If you have a preexisting medical condition, you can't.That is plain and simple smart business. Why should you be able to come to me to pay for a condition after you develope it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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