The 15 Minute Drill

[Veretax]

Alright, I was remembering back to the last time the skins had a superbowl run, and i recalled something. At one point during the season, our offense was so well oiled that Gibbs would start the offense out in a "no-huddle" in the first quarter. So the thought occured to me, do you think Gibbs should explore doing this in the 1st Quarter with Campbell. If we did it might allow us to set a tempo of game play that opposing defenses couldn't match early on, and then later as their legs get tired we can run over them with CP/LB.

What do you guys think? Could campbell be ready for something like that (again only first few minutes (posession) of each half)?

[redskinsfan1201]

Lets just let JC understand the offense first then do the hurry up once he is comfortable

[[[ghost]]]

Unless he has absolutely complete comfort and control of the offense, we should force such a large responsibility on JC.

[Forever21]

I love the idea but I don't know if it's practicle with this edition of Gibbs & the Skins.

I don't know how ideal for no huddle Saunders' system is with so much motion and change and what not, hard to actually have a fast pace when everyone has to move around so much before the snap.

Also, JC's inexperience is a questions mark because of how complicated Saunders' system is.

But then again, many young QB's have excelled in no huddle because it keeps them from over thinking.

[DWinzit]

Used occasionally it is a good idea to throw off defenses. Also implementing it would force teams to spend time game planning for another twist.

I doubt the staff would consider the idea until the latter part of the season and only when JC has shown consistency and comfort. Gibbs is mainly about ball control and time management. I'd rather see a 10 minute drive than a 1 minute drive. Although as long as they both end in 7 points, it's not all bad!

[Bang]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember the Redskins ever running no-huddle as a part of the offense.

No-Huddle then was a novelty, something Buffalo and Cincinnati did.

I understand the supposed reason behind no-huddle,, keep the defense from substituting, but I've never thought it is all that effective. OK, so it presumably tires out the defense.. i guess the offensive guys somehow don't get tired doing it. It runs the hell out of your receivers and gasses them out quick. It fatigues your offensive line.

I'd rather not run it.

~Bang

[GroundNPound]

It would be ideal, but as you said that offense was "well greased" and had the chemistry capable of pulling something like this off.

In all honesty... the only chemistry we had on offense last year was one between Betts and the big guys up front.

Add that to the way last year started out... Al's offense was out-smarting itself. Once again, it didn't start comming together until the rushing attempts per game picked up.

Now that I think about it a little more... comming out jamming the ball into the middle for a few 6+ yard games in a no huddle, while tossing in a couple of play actions sounds enticing and Joe Gibbs is capable of it. But I don't see it happening this year unless, as a couple of the ESers above me stated, JC gets comfortable in the system.

[Aston]

What do you guys think? Could campbell be ready for something like that (again only first few minutes (posession) of each half)?

You know what I'm thinking? Most of us automatically equate the no-huddle to passing. Imagine us going 10 straight plays in the no huddle with all runs, subbing in Betts and Portis every other play? Defensive tackles would tire out so freaking fast, having to try to make a play, then quickly get up, line up, possibly spring down the field if its a good gain, coordinator would be burning timeouts left and right. That would be SICK! Then maybe on play 11, play action to Cooley who's by himself behind the linebackers, or Santana who's all alone on a 9. Think you may be on to something Veretax.

Anyone know if Kansas City ran any no-huddle?

[JohnnyUtah]

I think as the season goes on, as long as JC keeps progressing, then you could absolutely see this happening. This is going to be JC's coming out year and I def. think that you could see this happening at some point this season...maybe around game 4-5

[number twenty-eight]

Nope. Saunders' offenses are methodical and substitution-heavy, like Gibbs' in 04-5.

But you never know what we might see. Coach Gibbs is one of the best football innovators ever. We had very scientific offenses in the 80s, with all the specialists and pre-snap motion/shifting to get a read on the defense. He invented the H-back position to defeat LT, and to the best of my knowledge he was the first to feature a single back offense (for Riggins). Just a lot of little things that we unfortunately have not seen so much of since his return.

Perhaps Jason's capacity to threaten all areas of the field helps unshackle the offense this year, allowing Coach and Saunders to be more creative.

[Siven]

I think it would be nice if we ran 3 plays say, made a gain, then ran the no huddle for the 4th play

a style of running a no huddle play randomly in 4 plays would be interesting.

[desioreo87]

You know what I'm thinking? Most of us automatically equate the no-huddle to passing. Imagine us going 10 straight plays in the no huddle with all runs, subbing in Betts and Portis every other play? Defensive tackles would tire out so freaking fast, having to try to make a play, then quickly get up, line up, possibly spring down the field if its a good gain, coordinator would be burning timeouts left and right. That would be SICK! Then maybe on play 11, play action to Cooley who's by himself behind the linebackers, or Santana who's all alone on a 9. Think you may be on to something Veretax.

Anyone know if Kansas City ran any no-huddle?

As much as i like your idea, the no huddle offense is run wihtout substitution and is therefore not allowing of constant subs between betts and portis.

[Flycoach]

Alright, I was remembering back to the last time the skins had a superbowl run, and i recalled something. At one point during the season, our offense was so well oiled that Gibbs would start the offense out in a "no-huddle" in the first quarter. So the thought occured to me, do you think Gibbs should explore doing this in the 1st Quarter with Campbell. If we did it might allow us to set a tempo of game play that opposing defenses couldn't match early on, and then later as their legs get tired we can run over them with CP/LB.

What do you guys think? Could campbell be ready for something like that (again only first few minutes (posession) of each half)?

It might be too soon for Campbell to be able to handle that. We'll have a better idea after the 2nd week of Training Camp.

[#98QBKiller]

I think Campbell could handle this Veretax. All they need to do is use 10-12 plays that he's comfortable with and have Gibbs mix up the playcalling. I think this would be a good start to the game and like you said have CP and LB run over the defense to finish things out.

[canethang 305]

I don't remember this happening either but like Bang said the only teams that used it a lot were the Bengals with Boomer Esiason first and shortly after the Bills adopted it and used it on the first few series against the Bengals to throw them off. You have to have a QB who knows the offense ala Manning getting the Colts to line with 30 seconds left on the playclock and using all the time left to make adjustments. The onlt reason the Bengals and Bills were succesful at it is because those teams very rarily made personnel changes except when they went into 3rd and short or goaline jumbo packages. In today's NFL I think about as close to replicating that is what the Colts do because as GW likes to say Packages are so important to throwing your opponent for a loop.

[NewCliche21]

I don't know about you guys, but as soon as my kids come out of the womb, I'm putting their food on side of the room, laying them on the floor, and saying "Go get it!"

It just doesn't make sense to put someone out there like that when he's still an infant in the system. He's not Peyton Manning . . . yet.

[bigyim]

Along with the drawbacks already mentionerd by the other posters, I think the no-huddle would minimize that cool, collected quality that Campbell has in the heat of the battle.

It's been mentioned in the media & by ex-college teammates numerous times about his unflappability. The way he ran 2-minute offenses left a lot to be desired last year--part of that is inexperience, part of it was coaching, as well (Gibbs, to my mind, still struggles with clock conservation in those ciurcumstances). However, a small part also was his attitude...it just didn't seem like there was a siren going off in his head every play, like the best 2-minute QBs.

Having Campbell run a 2-minute offense, even if he had mastery of the offensive system, would be a bit frivolous. It may also be akin to using a top line ferrari to tote a trailer full of mulch.

[Veretax]

Well, here's the thing. I am not advocating he do a peyton manning call plays at the line all game long. All teams have to work on their 5 minute offenses as well as their 2 minute drills. I am merely saying that once in the past gibbs used a no huddle offense to throw teams off balance early in games, and we even used it against the bills in the superbowl if memory serves. Make no bones, there is no way Gibbs will ever let a QB run a no huddle all game long. He's too much about clock management, to do that, but I do think that such an offense could perhaps give Campbell better early confidence, and hurt teams ability to defend against him. And in this league confidence can be more deadly then a big play.