Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Every year between the time the season ends and round 1 of the draft we get seduced by the sexy. (credit to nachol) Sexy as a state of mind, independent from the draft, is what brought Deion and Bruce Smith here, it's what gave us two years of Spurrier instead of two years of Marty, it's what ran out Brad Johnson, and traded away a shut down corner for a two down back who, no matter how hard we wish it, is still not as good as his videogame doppelganger. Sexy also clouds our judgement, it convinces us that a raw talent can really anchor a top flight secondary on snot bubbles alone. The Redskins are not sexy, they've never been sexy, and they should never strive to be. Calvin Johnson would be tempting if we were picking #2 or #3, but at #6?! There's no way he falls to us, so that means that if we want him we have to sacrifice which to me is insane. Even if we didn't have a WR that can turn a five yard hitch into a seventy yard TD it still wouldn't make sense. As disastrous as the offense was last year it could have been much worse considering that we went from Bruhell (washed up four years ago) to Campbell, a relative rookie. But the defense absolutely KILLED us last year. 32nd in turnovers with 12, 31st in made 3rd downs, 26th in 3rd down %, 168 passing first downs, and 19 total sacks. We need to pressure the ******* QB, We need a ******* DE! This weekend, sexy is lurking, don't give in. By the way I want to wish everybody a happy start to the new season this Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Well, that's your owner for ya! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 and traded away a shut down corner for a two down back who, no matter how hard we wish it, is still not a good as his videogame doppelganger. Portis got hurt, give him a break. Was 2005 really that long ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 You lost me for a bit after you called Portis a "two down back." But I liked the second paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Every year between the time the season ends and round 1 of the draft we get seduced by the sexy. (credit to nachol) Sexy as a state of mind, independent from the draft, is what brought Deion and Bruce Smith here, it's what gave us two years of Spurrier instead of two years of Marty, it's what ran out Brad Johnson, and traded away a shut down corner for a two down back who, no matter how hard we wish it, is still not a good as his videogame doppelganger. Sexy also clouds our judgement, it convinces us that a raw talent can really anchor a top flight secondary on snot bubbles alone. The Redskins are not sexy, they've never been sexy, and they should never strive to be. Two down back? Did you watch him play the 2005 season the man was far from a two down back..... I think this year is going to be his best year yet with the redskins. I am sorry but I dont know who his videogame doppelganger is can you tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrahim Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I still think Danny needs to trade down and gather more picks. With the lower pick, select Jarvis Moss. He is not garnering as much attention as the Okoye's, the Gaines Adams, the CJ's and the Russells, but the guy is a FREAK. I really believe if there is one draft to trade down in, its this year's. I see absolutely nothing that tells me Adams or Anderson will be better than Jarvis Moss, just like I don't see any reason why Okoye will be better than Justin Harrell. But knowing the Skins, we will go for the sexy pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 I am sorry but I dont know who his videogame doppelganger is can you tell me? Two Down Back: (d.) A running back who plays two downs out of a possible four in an offensive series in a professional football contest. Video Portis is his videogame doppelganger. The one who's rated in the mid to high 90's and can dominate games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 I still think Danny needs to trade down and gather more picks. Yes.Yes.Yes. If anything trade down. After a DE we need more depth. Jarvis Moss would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Two Down Back: (d.) A running back who plays two downs out of a possible four in an offensive series in a professional football contest. Video Portis is his videogame doppelganger. The one who's rated in the mid to high 90's and can dominate games. Good things never heard of that before, but he still is not just a two down back, care to tell me why you think he is a two down back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I think this is an excellent thread. Bad news is that contrary to what some people believe, our FO has not got their act together and they are still influenced by the same misguided perceptions that caused them to make some of the ridiculous moves that you refer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Brunell- mistake Johnson- mistake Champ for CP- mistake only b/c it was more than a fair trade to just swap players 1 yr Marty- mistake 2 yrs SS- mistake However Moss- good Cooley- good 2004 FA class- good soooo it could be worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Two Down Back: (d.) A running back who plays two downs out of a possible four in an offensive series in a professional football contest. Video Portis is his videogame doppelganger. The one who's rated in the mid to high 90's and can dominate games. Um, yes, but Portis doesn't always play two downs out of four. In fact, aside from injury, he plays mostly all three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Brunell- mistake Johnson- mistake Champ for CP- mistake only b/c it was more than a fair trade to just swap players 1 yr Marty- mistake 2 yrs SS- mistake However Moss- good Cooley- good 2004 FA class- good soooo it could be worse 1) If you mean Brad, then are you nuts? He was great for us. Replacing him was the stupid move. 2) Marty > Turner, who apparently wasn't a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Brunell- mistakeJohnson- mistake Champ for CP- mistake only b/c it was more than a fair trade to just swap players 1 yr Marty- mistake 2 yrs SS- mistake However Moss- good Cooley- good 2004 FA class- good soooo it could be worse While Moss ended up being absolutely huge for us that year, I could argue that a FO that knew how to run a football team would have never made that move the way that they did. Can anyone recall why we didn't have a 2nd or 3rd rounder the year we drafted Cooley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 Good things never heard of that before, but he still is not just a two down back, care to tell me why you think he is a two down back.... He's a two down back because he's a two down back. There are moments in games when he's not on the field for two consecutive series, injured or not. To me that's ridiculous. I like Portis but I don't feel as though he's lived up to the value we let go for him. Granted Champ probably wouldn't have stayed but what would you rather have a more stout secondary and a Betts at HB or the situation we find ourselves in now with Carlos Rogers as our No. 1 CB? Portis has had his great moments but to me he hasn't even attained Terry Allen status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronicdesi Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 He's a two down back because he's a two down back. There are moments in games when he's not on the field for two consecutive series, injured or not. To me that's ridiculous. I like Portis but I don't feel as though he's lived up to the value we let go for him. Granted Champ probably wouldn't have stayed but what would you rather have a more stout secondary and a Betts at HB or the situation we find ourselves in now with Carlos Rogers as our No. 1 CB? Portis has had his great moments but to me he hasn't even attained Terry Allen status. Portis ran for 343 and 352 rush attempts two years before his injury. He also currently owns the single season rushing record of 1516 yards OVER Terry Allen (1353) and Stephen Davis (1432). You have any reason to think Portis isn't better than either of these two? He is a workhorse, and don't forget so quickly why we won 5 in a row when we did.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKSkinsFan Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'm sorry, but the whole CP only being a 2 down back and the trade not working for us is just blindly false. Have you watched this guy play? You do realize he was injured last year, and the year prior he had a 1500 yard season. IMO the Broncos have yet to replace him, even though you constantly hear that it doesn't matter who they put in the backfield. If we're talking about not taking a sexy pick, than maybe we should avoid what equates to a sexy pick on defense, that being trading down for a pass rushing specialist like Jarvis Moss which was mentioned in this thread. You obviously don't want a 2 down RB, why draft a 1 down DE? I'm not against getting a DE, however I'd want one who can play the run and pass like Anderson or Carriker. I also believe getting some help at DT would be a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 #1, when people make it known that they judge NFL players based on how good they are in Madden, i shudder. #2, how are you comparing 2 aging egocentric defensive players to a WR that hasnt played a snap in the NFL yet? #3, you have no idea what we will have to give up to get CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Also, explain to me how Portis is a 2 down back. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 Portis ran for 343 and 352 rush attempts two years before his injury. He also currently owns the single season rushing record of 1516 yards OVER Terry Allen (1353) and Stephen Davis (1432). You have any reason to think Portis isn't better than either of these two? He is a workhorse, and don't forget so quickly why we won 5 in a row when we did.... It's not about stats. The fact that a guy like Terry Allen, a free agent with two bad knees can get 1353 yds in a season is evidence that high priced running backs are not worth it. I'm sorry but he simply is not a workhorse. He's good but he's not a workhorse. Riggins, Davis, Allen, Byner, those were workhorses. We didn't win 5 in a row in 2005 solely because of Portis. If Rock doesn't lose his mind in St.Louis we don't go. If Antonio ******* Brown doesn't return a punt in Arizona we don't go. Portis was huge in that run but not the only reason bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 He's a two down back because he's a two down back. There are moments in games when he's not on the field for two consecutive series, injured or not. To me that's ridiculous. I like Portis but I don't feel as though he's lived up to the value we let go for him. Granted Champ probably wouldn't have stayed but what would you rather have a more stout secondary and a Betts at HB or the situation we find ourselves in now with Carlos Rogers as our No. 1 CB? Portis has had his great moments but to me he hasn't even attained Terry Allen status.I understand the idea of two down back means he is on the field for two downs at a time, I was referring to you saying all he is good for is just two downs injured or not. I know there is alot of hate around here for Carlos but I still think he can become a great corner its only going to be his third year. But Portis is the truth and you will see this coming season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 But Portis is the truth and you will see this coming season... I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Brilliant thread. Portis is, to a certian degree, a 2-down back. We often throw betts in there on 3rd down so I'd say thats a fair statement. He also does disappear for some questionably long portions of the game. I would agree that we need to go DE, but there is no DE value at the 6-spot. We do, however, need to go defense - no doubt about it. I think Landry and Okoye are the best choices at 6. Maybe DE if we trade down. There should be no trading up under any circumstances. Even with CJ, the redskins are not built to win a shootout. We need to fix our D before every game turns into a Week 17 34-28 loss to the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibrahim Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I heard the Redskins are trading Clinton Portis to the Arena league for two Arena League defensive ends, is this true? Ok, seriously, I hoope we trade down for more picks, and do whatever it takes to prevent the Cowboys from picking Jarvis Moss or Michael Griffin. Both sound like too perfect of a match for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyUtah Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 guys, guys, guys....sexy never left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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