D-Day Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Because carrying Springs and Brunell for one more year and THEN cutting them would cost over 7.5 mil in dead money in 08. Restructuring them probably ups that cost to over 11 mil. That's about 10% of our cap for next year gone so that we can hold onto two aging, fading players who can't stay healthy. Or, the restructures could make the team decide that, so long as the two can still walk upright, they might as well hold onto them for even another year, at a cost of probably 17 mil or so, plus still some dead money in 09.And, with all that, you still have to sign a CB capable of starting because you just can't plan around Springs. And it raises the strong possibility that we go into 08 with a young Campbell backed by two new QBs rather than at least one who had 07 to learn the system and get used to his team. Bottom line: A front office that isn't doing things based mostly on wish-casting ("Hey! Maybe Springs and Brunell can stay healthy this year! Maybe Springs turns into a Pro Bowl Safety! Maybe Brunell returns to 2000 form and takes us to the Super Bowl!") and extreme short-sightedness ("We can re-structure them and save a few mil in cap space now. What? 2008? Why worry about that? That's like ten years away, isn't it?") would bite the bullet and get rid of them now, find their replacements and actually plan for a future that's more than 10 months away. That is why springs and MB where asked to take pay cuts instead of restructure. I think MB is wise enough to see that he would be hard pressed to find a roster spot let alone a starting gig. Springs will probably land a higher pay for the year if he is released. I think this is a pride issue with Springs, why should he take a pay cut and be the first starter in recent memory for the skins to be the one to do it. He knows he is the best CB on this team and trying to leverage that. If we do restructure him and he stays it is because one side blinked at the eleventh hour. I hope this is the new policy of the FO, we need the skins to start to do this type of thing in order to turn this ship around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I hope we don't get rid of Springs because then we need 2 corners.My thoughts exactly. I think the jury is still out on Rogers, he does have potential and has had a few great games, particularly against the Saints last year. With a decent D-Line, he'd shine even more, but if Springs leaves, what happens when Carlos gets hurt?*shiver* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Only one of 2 possibilities are true here. 1. This is a rumor and will die as all rumors do. 2. This is true and Springs is gone. If so, then Clements will be a Redskin. Snyder will not dump Springs and then be outbid for Clements. Redskin One will be picking up Clements at 12:00 AM on March 1st and he will be signed at 1:00 AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 we need clements, and we need Hood from the iggles. those two additions would be great. and hood is probably cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hood is looking for a starting gig and I would have no problem letting him compete for one if we can't sign clements. Otherwise Ricky manning Jr, or Harper, or smoot will need to be signed as a number 3 if SS leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Jack Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 If Springs leaves then we pretty much have to get Clements. Even at his age, Springs is a good cornerback, but he is very injury prone. Welcome to Washington, Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 That is why springs and MB where asked to take pay cuts instead of restructure. I think MB is wise enough to see that he would be hard pressed to find a roster spot let alone a starting gig. Springs will probably land a higher pay for the year if he is released. I think this is a pride issue with Springs, why should he take a pay cut and be the first starter in recent memory for the skins to be the one to do it. He knows he is the best CB on this team and trying to leverage that. If we do restructure him and he stays it is because one side blinked at the eleventh hour. I hope this is the new policy of the FO, we need the skins to start to do this type of thing in order to turn this ship around. Paycuts would be one thing, though they don't change the dead cap figures. There MIGHT be a chance Brunell would actually accept one. But Springs? No way. Someone would give him at least 4 mil in bonus and salary if he were cut, so why should accept less than that to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Was he considered a core Redskin at the end of last season? I think Gibbs considered Brunnell to be one. So that would be two down most likely? If they can't find something for Archuleta that makes three players gone. Now they are filling roster spots and plugging holes. We then have history repeating itself. I'm not saying keep Springs or Brunnell. I'm saying it looks like they keep digging holes that are going to be hard to get out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 we need clements, and we need Hood from the iggles. those two additions would be great. and hood is probably cheap.How about Asanti Samuel? What's the latest on his contract situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_chew Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 How about Asanti Samuel? What's the latest on his contract situation? He got the franchise tag from the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 How about Asanti Samuel? What's the latest on his contract situation? He was franchised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 How about Asanti Samuel? What's the latest on his contract situation? Franchised already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 Cut Springs, take a very large cap hit, and then pay Nate Clements Champ Bailey money even though A) he's nowhere near as good (a healthy Springs is better in fact) and we have so many holes to fill paying out another huge signing bonus is flat-out insane. I just can't see it happening. This front office has to learn at some point. Doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Paycuts would be one thing, though they don't change the dead cap figures.There MIGHT be a chance Brunell would actually accept one. But Springs? No way. Someone would give him at least 4 mil in bonus and salary if he were cut, so why should accept less than that to stay? They don't change the dead cap figure but we could say as a example do this. Springs figures for this year are 4.875 Salary + 2.483 bonus money due = Cap figure of 7.358 If we offer to cut his salary by say two mil, he would then make 2.875 + 2.483 = a new cap number of 5.358 for a savings of two mil. He would then play out this year and the cost of cutting him next year would be 4.97 ish million. or a savings of around 4 million off the cap next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see MB salary go down to hopefully 1 mil but more realistically around 2 - 2.5 mil to save about 3.2-2.7 mil this year. Yes I agree that he will get at least a 5 mil bonus by someone so that is the reason he is probably gone next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 How about Asanti Samuel? What's the latest on his contract situation? The Pats put the franchise tag on him. Besides, I think alot of people (including myself) were kinda wary about this guy, considering there's a good chance he's another "Belicheck System" creation or whatever. But yeah, if Springs is gone, we might as well start printing out the Clements jerseys right now. I really would like Smoot to come back though .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I just can't see it happening. This front office has to learn at some point. Doesn't it? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 The Pats put the franchise tag on him. Besides, I think alot of people (including myself) were kinda wary about this guy, considering there's a good chance he's another "Belicheck System" creation or whatever.But yeah, if Springs is gone, we might as well start printing out the Clements jerseys right now. I really would like Smoot to come back though .... Smoot and Clements coming here would be great, only if Springs is gone. If Springs is here, then I say we go Smoot and Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 This would be a terrible move. If we cut Springs and keep Brunell at ANYTHING more then a $1 million deal then this whole operation is a sham...... All we're doing is creating additional holes to fill with minimum draft picks.....Oh wait, we can go back to FA which sure has worked out great for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well, Springs was running his mouth at the end of the season. Lots of sources are pointing to the Skins going after Clements. Springs has a history of injury and Williams makes a point at players being available to play. Williams knows and probably likes Clements. So, this could be true. Assuming this is true, I would just cut Springs and call it a wash. Get him off the books after this year. The FO can structure any new contracts to be cheap the first year. Heck, they do that all the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 springs was an injury machine, and finished the season breaking his shoulder after having hammy issues and abdominal surgery. why some of you think hes still a starting option is beyond me, but to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Lets also not forget, I can easily see the skins being 15 - 16 mil under the cap by March 1st. (Barring a DD resigning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Lets also not forget, I can easily see the skins being 15 - 16 mil under the cap by March 1st. (Barring a DD resigning). considering FA starts in about 9 days, id say dock is gone, unless the front office figures something out asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stp240 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 why not trade springs??? we must be able to get someone for him....and then maybe sign another CB I however dont agree with letting anyone go, every starter on the roster should stay...add draft picks and then get rid of Steven Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 You know, does anyone have a link to this? Were all discussing somthign without a link. I went to the WP to look for the blog, and saw nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 probably more gibbs smoke and mirrors talk. just like when gibbs said he hoped archuleta stayed on the team haha. OK, and can you provide me a link that says Archuletta has been released? Don't assume, just post facts please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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