flexxskins Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I think it means that the linebackers sucked last year and things need to change. Reading deeper into it, I think it also means Holdman will definitely be gone in exchange for better talent and Marshall will be demoted to backup WLB/MLB, even though I still say Khary Campbell is better than him.I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I am just curious as to what you are basing your statement on when you say that Campbell is better than Marshall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 A change in linebacker's coach doesn't mean the entire philosophy of the defense will be changing. Some of you are jumping to conclusions that are very unfounded. This is still GREGG WILLIAMS' defensive scheme. It was never Dale Lindsay's defensive scheme. If Gregg Williams had been the guy who got fired... then we could start talking about a dramatic change in the way the defense is run. Or, you can continue to go overboard with the 3-4 talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjoiram Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If we pick up a good LB in free agency, Andre Carter can play LB in a 3-4 system. This can't happen because they just spent the first half year transitioning him back to DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I am just curious as to what you are basing your statement on when you say that Campbell is better than Marshall?My opinion is based more on position fit than talent or production. Campbell is a great tackler and would excel as a run-stopper. My guess is that he has struggled to read offenses and make proper adjustments. Marshall is better blitzing on the outside and in coverage which is what a WLB is usually asked to do. I know that GW likes to use his LB's differently than most, I just feel that moving Lemar to the middle greatly diminishes his effectiveness. I think we would have been better off this year going with Campnell in the middle, Lemar outside calling the D's and Holdman in a #4/backup role. That's just based on what I've seen, and since Campbell hasn't gotten significant time on D, I don't have much to prove that he could be successful, it's just my perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It means that the team will obtain new linebackers ... the coaches do not make tackles. Look for at least two new starters obtained form FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It means that the team will obtain new linebackers ... the coaches do not make tackles. Look for at least two new starters obtained form FA. I doubt this will be the case either. They drafted Rocky McIntosh in the 2nd round and it's likely that he'll start in place of Holdman. The MLB position is the only place where I can see a free agent come in to compete with Marshall for the starting spot. If Marshal does lose the position he's likely going to move back to the outside and share time with McIntosh and also serve as a backup MLB. There is no need to bring in more than one free agent linebacker. Maybe London Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Never like Lindsey in his first stint here and didn't like this one either. Still need more housecleaning starting with the safties coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I like when we mix in the 3-4 packages in the games. gGw did that in the first 2 years more often than he did this past year. I think we didn't utilize enough of it because it seems thats when he has like 9 people in the box but only 3 DL's are in and you don't know which 4 or 5 are coming. I don't think we need a permanent switch to a 3-4 though, but I am not opposed to it. When Archuleta was in, we basically had a 4-4 since most LB's can't cover anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Sorry df ... the Skins need new backers ... McIntosh is not a starter and is too small. Marshall should be relegated to backup and nicklebacker. There is no depth if Washington goes down. What team are you watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gate113 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Thats a nice way of saying "he didn't do the job so we are going to find someone else". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red dot in a sea of blue Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Sorry df ... the Skins need new backers ... McIntosh is not a starter and is too small. Marshall should be relegated to backup and nicklebacker. There is no depth if Washington goes down. What team are you watching? I do agree we need depth, and I think we need a new starting MLB but I dissagree about McIntocsh. I think he's a small quick LB in the mold of M Washington/Kato June and that's what GW likes to work with. He uses cover 2 where the MLB is covering the slot reciever and uses LB in coverage way more than most DC's do. I believe that McIntocsh is exactly the type of LB that will work in our system, fast, a good tackler and can drop back into coverage on occasion. The problem is we don't have a run stuffing MLB and we started the swinging door in Holdman. I hope that with a retool of the D-line and a new MLB our LB corps will excell next year and we can get back to not covering our eyes when the D is on the field.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 McIntosh may be small, but quick Red Dot ... but he is terrible in coverage ... Ironically, the Skins may go after Cato June in FA which I think is a mistake because he too is undersized ... but I will take him over Rocky. The Skins need LARGE linebackers especially in the middle and on the strong side. Briggs and Thomas would do nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 P.S: I also like David Harris of Michigan in the Draft ... if the Skins trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalex41 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 After firing linebackers coach Dale Lindsey, Joe Gibbs said, "We have decided to move in a different direction with our linebackers." Reading between the lines, this statement likely means one of two things:(1) Either the coaching staff plans to switch from the 4-3 to a 3-4 lineup, or (2) Dale Lindsey fell out of G. Williams favor, and he wants to hire a new linebacker coach? This bears watching..... Any thoughts on this? Our linebacker play was simply sub par. Marshall didn't get the job done in the middle (coming off injuries), Washington played injured all year and it showed, McIntosh never seemed to adjust and crack the line-up also, the D LINE didn't do a lot to help matters either, the only surprise there was Golston, he played very well, the same was expected from the more "seasoned" players. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Means...some new starters next year. Marcus Washington, Rocky and ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Screw the 3-4, lets play Coach Janky Spanky football. do a 4-4-4, and put 2 sean taylors on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedzoneHunter Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 It means that the team will obtain new linebackers ... the coaches do not make tackles. Look for at least two new starters obtained form FA. That might be stretching it a bit. We may go after one though, but Briggs would want too much. London Fletcher just might be the perfect fit. He probably has a couple good years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent19 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I'm not sure we have the personnel to run a 3-4. Plus: We cant get pressure with 4 linemen. 3 would be worst..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf85 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Means...some new starters next year. Marcus Washington, Rocky and ???? And London Fletcher. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12371 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 (1) Either the coaching staff plans to switch from the 4-3 to a 3-4 lineup, or I doubt it. In fact, there is no way. The Redskins just don't have the personnel. And they don't have the cap space to reform the roster. Furthermore, GW doesn't have any experience with it. (2) Dale Lindsey fell out of G. Williams favor, and he wants to hire a new linebacker coach? Probably. I think Holdman's regression was the final straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf85 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here are some of the FA LBs. Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395932 Na'il Diggs, UFA, Carolina: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187526 Cato June, UFA,Colts: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396004 Adalius Thomas, UFA,Ravens: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187661 London Fletcher UFA,Bills: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12371 Randall Godfrey, UFA,Chargers: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3508 Kawika Mitchell, UFA, Kansas City: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396038 Rob Morris, UFA,Colts: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187611 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinnedAussie Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl Redskins | Olivadotti promoted to linebackers coach Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:53:23 -0800 The Associated Press reports the Washington Redskins have promoted Kirk Olivadotti to linebackers coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here are some of the FA LBs.Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395932 Na'il Diggs, UFA, Carolina: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187526 Cato June, UFA,Colts: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396004 Adalius Thomas, UFA,Ravens: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187661 London Fletcher UFA,Bills: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12371 Randall Godfrey, UFA,Chargers: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3508 Kawika Mitchell, UFA, Kansas City: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396038 Rob Morris, UFA,Colts: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187611 Briggs will probably be saught after by any team that remotely needs a LB this offseason. Thus, the price will be sky high! Cato June will be the 2nd highest. L. Fletcher is a great performer and Greg Williams knows him well, so that is a plus. I caution that he is older than sin though, so even if we were to get him...he's only a stop gap to really solving the problem. Mitchell is ok, but not an upgrade from L. MArshall. Others can depth players at this point. So, maybe they go after Briggs or June and break the bank as usual. They will have to re-work several cotnracts to make that work though because they want a CB too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 didt we plat some 3-4 in 04 season i remm all sorts of formations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 The only direction our linebackers need to move to is in the direction of the ball carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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