Beaudry Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 How would you feel if the airport screeners were to continue with their current security sytem, but ALSO pulled every arab looking man out of line for additional screening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 what if we said, Muslim men between the ages of 15 and 40? I think your poll would be better than 'Arab'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 What are they looking for? No weapons are allowed. No liquids are allowed. Shoes have to be Xrayed. Any bads must be Xrayed. And you have to walk through a metal detector. What else? Cavity search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 What are they looking for? No weapons are allowed. No liquids are allowed. Shoes have to be Xrayed. Any bads must be Xrayed. And you have to walk through a metal detector. What else? Cavity search?They might have yellow cake. Edit: I voted no. As much as I would like to feel secure, screening EVERY Arab-looking person is akin to putting all asians(japanese) in camps because we feel they can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 They might have yellow cake. Are they sharing? Any icing and ice cream to go with?:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 As much as I yearn for the good 'ole days of discrimination, racism, and supremecy, I'll stick with the American way, that is, "all men [read: people] are created equal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I understand the origin of the question, but such an approach risks diverting resources to search in the wrong area. Granted, most airline hijackers have been males of Middle-Eastern appearance, but Richard Reid was not. Female suicide bombers are relatively common against Israel, and that would be an obvious route if too much of a focus was put into searching Arab males. Security needs to be focused on behavior, not on skin color or the possible weapons (now liquids, was pointy objects). Again the Israeli's have been successful in this area. In the USA, the LAX bomber was stopped, not because the official was looking for an Arab male bomber, but because he was behaving, in her own words, "hinky". Stopping and searching every Arab male will not stop a single high-jacking as they will find other accomplices or methods. Five years of taking pointy objects from our mothers, kids and grandmothers as they board planes has not and will not stop a single hijacking either. Profiling is good ... profiling solely on race diverts resources and causes real threats to be missed. Bruce Schneier writes very well on security and he has both books (Beyond Fear) and numerous articles on this. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/07/profiling.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I understand the origin of the question, but such an approach risks diverting resources to search in the wrong area. Granted, most airline hijackers have been males of Middle-Eastern appearance, but Richard Reid was not. Female suicide bombers are relatively common against Israel, and that would be an obvious route if too much of a focus was put into searching Arab males.Security needs to be focused on behavior, not on skin color or the possible weapons (now liquids, was pointy objects). Again the Israeli's have been successful in this area. In the USA, the LAX bomber was stopped, not because the official was looking for an Arab male bomber, but because he was behaving, in her own words, "hinky". Stopping and searching every Arab male will not stop a single high-jacking as they will find other accomplices or methods. Five years of taking pointy objects from our mothers, kids and grandmothers as they board planes has not and will not stop a single hijacking either. Profiling is good ... profiling solely on race diverts resources and causes real threats to be missed. Bruce Schneier writes very well on security and he has both books (Beyond Fear) and numerous articles on this. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/07/profiling.html Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 What's the point? Then TSA employees would probably begin to allow non-arab looking men/women through security without as much scrutiny. Next thing you know, we're seeing terrorists from all over the world blowing up American planes. You don't think terrorist groups are smart enough to see a weakness in this type of system? Time would be better invested into methods and technologies that can check everyone more thoroughly and efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Good post! Thanks. If you haven't read it, the article on the link is a good one. If you like what you see there, you'd enjoy his book Beyond Fear. Schneier knows his stuff and writes about complex issues in a very clear way. He is a security geek, but is very clear where technology can help and when people and process have to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 hmmmm...Arab male here, between the age of 15-40 and I'm flying tomorrow. I'll let you guys know if i get searched or any special treatment:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 THere are a whole lot of radical Muslims who aren't of Arab descent. Indonesians for instance. That's like saying all Jews are middle eastern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 How would you feel if the airport screeners were to continue with their current security sytem, but ALSO pulled every arab looking man out of line for additional screening? I like it, but i think we need better screeners IMO. Also about pulling every arab/middle easterner out of line for extra screening/questioning is good, i mean people of middle eastern descent are the ones causing terrorism, not white. african, jewish ,spanish or other ethnic backgrounds , my :2cents: And i am in no way saying ALL middle eastern people are bad, we just have to be careful is all. Call me racist or a profiler i dont care, but until jews or a different ethnic background start suicide bombing people, i wont look at it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I just flew last Saturday. I don't agree with the banning liquids. Just makes the trip bad for everyone. I got through security fine and have no problem taking off my shoes or coat or emptying my pockets. But when I couldn't bring shampoo or toothpaste, I think it's getting rediculous. If they can make a bomb out of liquids, they'll figure out how to make it out of clothes or a book or a cell phone. You just have to take your chances I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Seems like Al Quaeda has many anti-american people willing to go the extra mile to punish America and the West. Let me remind everyone that Al Quaeda is world wide w/ members that don't even come close to that description. The profiling would be pointless, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 No and I'll tell you why, the effect of such a move in the long run would be to reduce suspision on every non-arab looking man. That's when a white looking terrorists will nail you and the fallout would be huge. I'd rather they improve the technology available for airport security. I'd like to see a hallway of different machines every has to walk through. If you pass, you're safe. Everyone gets checked. On a personal note I'd also like the damn airlines to enforce the size restriction for carry on. I'm getting sick of not being able to put mine up there cause some jerk decided to bring a two ton suitcase and his friggin radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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