terpfan Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I have a feeling neither of those comments were meant terribly seriously, allthough it certainly is a concern. I'll wait and see, not jumping to conclusions yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockANDallstar Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 They are only going to go with the plays they are sure that everyone knows, they wont be calling plays that are questionable for certain players, especially the QB. And if they need to they can go back to last year for a few plays as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur58z Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 What utter b.s. this is. It's just laughable. Why? Because Collins was on Comcast saying the same thing to Kelli Johnson around a week ago. Yup, that's right. He was saying it on television for anyone to hear on Sportsnite. Yet Andrea Kramer tries to pass it off as some inside, secret knowledge obtained covertly. Ummm, somebody's been embellishing her stories a little bit. I'm not surprised it's her either, because she's always seemed a little creepy and shady to me. I mean, c'mon, like that would be the exchange Brunell and Collins would be having? It sounds *so* made up. And then somebody supposedly "overheard" this? Whenever you read about people "overhearing" concise little nuggets like that, it means it's total b.s. As for what Collins *actually* said in his comments to Kelli Johnson on Comcast, he basically said it takes a year to fully absorb the terminology. He said Brunell in particular has already run a lot of these plays in his career, but that it's all just named different in this offense. He said he thought Brunell would pick it up very quickly. He in no way said the offense is unlearnable in under a year. He just said full absorption of the 700 page playbook takes a year, but that we won't need to know it all this season. He insinuated they'll know enough this year to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseGoForTheWin Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I've heard Gibbs, Sanders and some of the players say that the new system includes quite a bit of the old system. Mark is a proven veteran, so I think he'll be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It's kind of irrelevant. We don't need a great passing game...we just need to be better. Pitt was great throwing the ball last season. Neither was Tampa or New England when they won their titles. We have an excellent defense and a terrific run game. The specials look like they will be solid. Are we going to be the 99 Rams with the passing game? No. But incidently the 99 Rams were the 99 Rams in Martz's first year of his offense. With a backup QB too. I'll take terrific personnel/coaching in the first year of a scheme over decent personnel in Year X (see Eagles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalDefense Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 but, Saunders system and Gibbs are fundamentally the same, especially the terminologyBrunell will be fine Exactly.....Lets say they duplicate what KC did in Saunders first year....they were only 16th in scoring offense. Remeber that KC's defense was horrid so they could not get the ball back to the offense. More important is that they were 6th in rushing, that keeps the offense on the field and with our defense, 16th in scoring will be plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Let's not forget, you can win WHILE learning a system. There is a lot of similar terminology, so that shouldn't be a problem. The biggest issue will be the timinig with the WRs, but that's what preseason is for. I think we'll be fine even if Brunell doesn't have the system totally down. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalDefense Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I've heard Gibbs, Sanders and some of the players say that the new system includes quite a bit of the old system. Mark is a proven veteran, so I think he'll be OK. As little as 5 years ago seems, they were not going full bore during the offseason just yet. That started about 3 years ago, and while its called "voluntary" most teams have put enough pressure on the players to cooperate fully. In March, Mark Brunell was working on that playbook, studying film, thats 6 months folks. So he is half way there already according to Collins, and he has started and played in more games then Collins could ever dream about. Why is Collins all of a sudden an expert on how long it takes to learn an offense? He probably only took about 30% of the snaps during practice and in the preseason games his first year in the offense since he was 2nd or 3rd string, Mark is getting probably about 80% in practice, again since March. Mark Brunell will be just fine, and I would look for our season ratio of run to pass to be somewhere close to 60-40. Al does not need to score 30 a game to get a win, we have a very good defense, remember? Once we get a lead in games the opposing teams are gonna get a heavy dose of Clinton and Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talk show host Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Sure, if Brunell had a full year in the system under his belt, our offense would be ALOT better this year than it will be. But Brunell still IS a veteran QB and our defense is still ROCK SOLID. Even with growing pains, we should still have a successful year. Reguardless of what happens this year, Campbell will have a year under his belt if he starts next year. If not, we've got two old guys in Brunell and Collins who should be servicable. Its not ideal, but this is the best thing long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggoReincarnated Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 A little blurb about an hour ago from, I believe, Anderea Kramer. It was in regards to an "overheard" conversation between Collins and Brunell. Brunell it seems, asked Collins, how long it took to get a handle on Saunders offense. Collins response was...about a Year. Brunell responds...Thats great, I've got about three weeks. :doh: I was always a little worried about this. Anytime you install a new offense there are tremondous growing pains. Just hope they can smooth out the wrinkles sooner than later. In that case, why not start Collins while Brunell is learning the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRider Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I would imagine the learning curve is steep, but the coaching staff will probably only introduce the playbook on a piece by piece basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I'm less concerned about Brunell then the Offensive line. The blocking scheme is changing quite a bit. We'll see. We have a lot of veterans with a lot of experience. I'm sure the changes are being phased in. All should be good to go come the start of the regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Don't forget that journeyman QB Kurt Warner did all right during his first year in that offense in 1999, and that Trent Green was lighting it up in the preseason in 1999 before he went down to that knee injury. I'm not concerned about Brunell's learning curve here; I would be concerned about Campbell's if he was our starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofizz Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Mark Brunell enjoys a good challenge here and there. And this will definitely be one that can make or break his career. I, personally, believe that Mark will do very well in the new system. It may take a couple weeks before the season, but by the time Monday Night Football rolls around, Mark will be "Ready for some football." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouBrave86 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It's Brunell's fault it took Collins a year to get comfortable with the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmeworry Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Most of these guys have been playing since peewee league. It's not like Saunders invented the wheel. Most of the stuff is basic. We have a veteran QB and lot of experienced players on offense. Let's not get hyper about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sullivan Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The problem for the Redskins is the quarterback position definately, because Brunell is going to by 36 soon. I am concerned about what is going to happen when Brunell retires because its not entirely clear that either Campbell or Todd Collins can step in to replace him. Also, Collins at 35 is no spring chicken either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant15fromNJ Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 When I heard that I just chuckled Mark will most likely start this year but after this you really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwater Ally Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 From what I've seen tonight, Collins might want to revise that estimation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfreyhiggs Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 looking at this preaseason game with brunell throw the pic and laughs like its funny. I didn't see anything funny about it. although its just preseason redskinz for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarg Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I coached that boy.... but never taught him that piece of crap dance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The first preseason game shows Collins might need a couple more years. He's only been in the system, what, ten years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mook_juice83 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The first preseason game shows Collins might need a couple more years. He's only been in the system, what, ten years? yeah, he looked pretty damn bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinzelwashington Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 dont listen to what collins say.. look at the way he played. aweful. its takes more than a yr for collins to learn saunders offense anybody else, a bit faster... it will take brunell, 3 weeks, i hope...:X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 and is everyone forgetting how super smart mark is? plz someone post the pic with the arrows pointing to mark brunell's "super smart brain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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