actorguy1 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 A little blurb about an hour ago from, I believe, Anderea Kramer. It was in regards to an "overheard" conversation between Collins and Brunell. Brunell it seems, asked Collins, how long it took to get a handle on Saunders offense. Collins response was...about a Year. Brunell responds...Thats great, I've got about three weeks. :doh: I was always a little worried about this. Anytime you install a new offense there are tremondous growing pains. Just hope they can smooth out the wrinkles sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM A REDSKIN FAN Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 yeah Ive noticed alot of us have overlooked this....I know I am becuase I dont want to think about the timeouts,false starts etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins81 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Could be a problem early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 A little blurb about an hour ago from, I believe, Anderea Kramer. It was in regards to an "overheard" conversation between Collins and Brunell. Brunell it seems, asked Collins, how long it took to get a handle on Saunders offense. Collins response was...about a Year. Brunell responds...Thats great, I've got about three weeks. :doh: I was always a little worried about this. Anytime you install a new offense there are tremondous growing pains. Just hope they can smooth out the wrinkles sooner than later. If things don't start clicking by halftime week 1, Saunders will make adjustments and its not like this is a completely new scheme but more of a mix between the two playbooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I think its a valid concern. On the other hand, I kind of like the idea that Mark's a little out of his comfort zone - he has to perform and master this system, and quickly. He's got a #1 draft choice the team soon or later has to determine the quality of breathing down his neck, and a solid veteran who IS comfortable with the system in the mix as well. That all means Brunell better give us everything he's got. Unlike Ramsey, who always seemed to press and be distracted by pressure, I think Brunell's the kind of guy who thrives on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It may have taken a while for Todd Collins to learn the offense, but let's not forget the possibility that since Mark is a better player he could also be a faster learner. Of course, he could also be a slower learner with better physical skills than Collins...:whoknows: I take this very lightly is all I'm saying. There's no formula to all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunPortisRun Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It may have taken a while for Todd Collins to learn the offense, but let's not forget the possibility that since Mark is a better player he could also be a faster learner.Of course, he could also be a slower learner with better physical skills than Collins...:whoknows: I take this very lightly is all I'm saying. There's no formula to all of this. I agree, of course it took Collins a year...he never got in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunPortisRun Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 What was KCs offense rank Saunders first year there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 and is everyone forgetting how super smart mark is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actorguy1 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 I agree, of course it took Collins a year...he never got in the game. LOL, True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I didn't see the report on tv, and obviously I didn't witness the convo between Brunell and Collins...but I get the vibe that Brunell was making a wisecrack when he said what he said, not that he said it out of worry or concern...lol...and don't most new schemes and systems take about a year to learn?...It may simply mean that Saunders' scheme won't be able to be used to its full effectiveness for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncskinsfan71 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 What was KCs offense rank Saunders first year there? I don't remember their rank, but I think I read somewhere that they were 6-10? Maybe 8-8, I can't remember. I thought about this too the other day in that, it usually takes a year for a system to be in place and everyone be comfortable with it. With that being said, should we be looking, dare I say, as NEXT year being the year for us? I hope not, because I really feel that we can go 13-3, 12-4 this year and be a force. Then again, if the O-line falls apart we coud be looking at 7-9. Keep thinking positive thoughts.....keep thinking positive thoughts....keep thinking positive..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 What was KCs offense rank Saunders first year there? yeah, they ranked in the top 5 every year he was there, including 2001 (his first year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 yeah, they ranked in the top 5 every year he was there, including 2001 (his first year). It's tough to make the comparison though, since Trent Green was at quarterback for Vermeil/Saunders in St. Louis too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunPortisRun Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 yeah, they ranked in the top 5 every year he was there, including 2001 (his first year). Case Closed. With our defense we are golden. Not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinDan0557 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 As long as the blocking schemes are relatively the same and the O-line gels and knows what to do, I think Brunell will perform at least as good as last year. And that could be all we need to make a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins75 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 here is a link to an article breaking down Saunders and the Cheifs before and after he arrived. http://www.theredskinreport.com/2006/04/03/al-saunders-offense-a-closer-look/ I like the results, don't get too concerned about the scoring, he didnt have as many weapons in 2001 as he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Every team's playbook gets installed gradually over the course of the year except maybe for when the entire unit (particularly at the skill positions) has no young players or new faces and has been together a while (a real rarity in today's NFL with free agency). Saunders, who's no noob to NFL coaching is very aware of this and is I'm sure taking steps to ensure that what he's installing is being understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 RNK NAME YDS YPG RUSH RUSH YPG PASS PASS YPG PTS PTS/G 4 Kansas City 6000 375.0 2378 148.6 3622 226.4 467 29.2 ----(2002) 2 Kansas City 5910 369.4 1929 120.6 3981 248.8 484 30.3 ----(2003) 1 Kansas City 6695 418.4 2289 143.1 4406 275.4 483 30.2 ----(2004) 1 Kansas City 6192 387.0 2382 148.9 3810 238.1 403 25.2 ----(2005) Unfortunately, i couldn't get the stats for 2001, but these numbers speak for them selves. And remember this was done with less talant than the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actorguy1 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Stats also said they were 16th in League in Points Scored. Pretty middle of the road. It was'nt till 2002 that they got into the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins75 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 RNK NAME YDS YPG RUSH RUSH YPG PASS PASS YPG PTS PTS/G 4 Kansas City 6000 375.0 2378 148.6 3622 226.4 467 29.2 ----(2002) 2 Kansas City 5910 369.4 1929 120.6 3981 248.8 484 30.3 ----(2003) 1 Kansas City 6695 418.4 2289 143.1 4406 275.4 483 30.2 ----(2004) 1 Kansas City 6192 387.0 2382 148.9 3810 238.1 403 25.2 ----(2005) Unfortunately, i couldn't get the stats for 2001, but these numbers speak for them selves. And remember this was done with less talant than the Skins. refer to my link below. KC in 2000 before Saunders and 2001 after his arrival. http://www.theredskinreport.com/2006/04/03/al-saunders-offense-a-closer-look/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Saunders, who's no noob to NFL coaching is very aware of this and is I'm sure taking steps to ensure that what he's installing is being understood. "Noob to NFL coaching" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I am ashamed to find that as funny as I do. :geek: Edit: Also remember guys, Trent Green came over to KC in 2001 already knowing the offense. I said that already, but I think it's worth noting. That makes the comparison a little more hazy. I don't have any doubt about Brunell's ability to pick it up, but even Green had a 71 rating his first year in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altair4 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I didn't see the report on tv, and obviously I didn't witness the convo between Brunell and Collins...but I get the vibe that Brunell was making a wisecrack when he said what he said, not that he said it out of worry or concern...lol...and don't most new schemes and systems take about a year to learn?...It may simply mean that Saunders' scheme won't be able to be used to its full effectiveness for awhile. :point2sky Bingo...Brunell is the Joker in the deck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEface Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 well when in doubt, run it out. If the passing game isn't clicking, then they can just give Mr. Portis the ball. i'm not terribly concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Al Saunders would not start Brunell if he couldnt get the job done. The coaches know what they are doing..BELIEVE, Stop always worrying about little things that the coaches are paid for handling. Notice, Brunell asked him how long it took to get COMFORTABLE, not learn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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