#98QBKiller Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I still think the best scenario would be sitting Sonnen until the summer to fight Anderson, then in the meantime having Munoz fight the winner of Bisping/Miller for a shot at the winner of Silva/Sonnen II. Sonnen showed that he didn't suffer much in the area of ring rust in the Stann fight, and Stann is far from a can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick86L Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm guessing no one saw this knockout last night from TUF semifinals or someone would have mentioned it. dude got knocked out so cold from the ground and pound that when the doctor asked where he was he thought he was back home in Ohio. :yikes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Saw that last night, defnitely think that will win him KO of the season and get that $5000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx491 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 There were two pretty brutal fights last night. Overall this season has been great for quality of fights. Dodson is really really annoying when he yelps and squeals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I still think the best scenario would be sitting Sonnen until the summer to fight Anderson, then in the meantime having Munoz fight the winner of Bisping/Miller for a shot at the winner of Silva/Sonnen II. Sonnen showed that he didn't suffer much in the area of ring rust in the Stann fight, and Stann is far from a can. Sonnen looked pretty good against Stann, but with the number of pimples on his back compared to the Silva fight (where his testosterone test came back 9x higer than normal), I would have to guess that his testosterone level must have been something like 25:1. I just want to see Silva Sonnen II so Chael can finally take his long walk into the sunset, and also to see if he actually makes it to the octagon alive if it happens in Brazil. The guy is not a very good fighter, has never KO'd an opponent and can't defend against BJJ, yet so many people, even media members buy into his hype. Don't get me wrong thought, I find him entertaining at times, at other times his shameless self promotion makes me kinda sick. If people took out the hype and looked at Chael objectively, they would see a middle of the road to fringe top 10 guy at best, kinda like a Chris Leben-gatekeeper status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Bisping or Miller? That seems like a tune up fight for Sonnen. Bisping's highlights are getting KO'd by Henderson in spectacular fashion and robbing Matt Hammill. Miller's claim to fame is hosing Bully Beatdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) Mayhem's last actual test was over two years ago when he fought Jake Shields. It's really hard to tell how much a person has progressed, regressed, or even revamped their game in that amount of time. Mayhem is a good submission specialist, otherwise he's a relatively average fighter. Is his boxing a lot better? It most likely will need to be. Are his takedowns better? Also might need to be. Ect. Maybe it's slipping my mind, but I don't remember Bisping being taken down that much throughout his career, or having to defend submissions. I know he hasn't faced quite that many fighters with great takedowns, so my question is: Is Mayhem the one to get Bisping on his back, defending submissions? I'm not so sure, Bisping is actually pretty darn good in the clinch. So if this is the same ole Jason Miller, I expect to see Bisping keeping him at bay with a constant flow of punches and knees in the clinch. But again, it partly depends on how much Mayhem can take what he's learned in the past couple of years and apply it to an actual fight. Some guys can be away from their craft for a while and come back stronger than ever, some guys crumble when they don't consistently fight at the top. Fedor. Edited December 2, 2011 by d0ublestr0ker0ll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) The guy is not a very good fighter, has never KO'd an opponent and can't defend against BJJ, yet so many people, even media members buy into his hype. I don't really agree with him not being a good fighter. He's a very good fighter and has some of the most dominant wrestling in MMA. It's not as exciting as Anderson Silva knocking everyone out, but I do find his strong takedowns and ground & pound very fun to watch. His last two fights have been very exciting and if he ever learns to defend against triangles/armbars, he'll be hard to beat. Also, his boxing is underrated, he just doesn't need to use it because no one can stop him from taking them down. Edited December 2, 2011 by #98QBKiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't really agree with him not being a good fighter. He's a very good fighter and has some of the most dominant wrestling in MMA. It's not as exciting as Anderson Silva knocking everyone out, but I do find his strong takedowns and ground & pound very fun to watch. His last two fights have been very exciting and if he ever learns to defend against triangles/armbars, he'll be hard to beat. Also, his boxing is underrated, he just doesn't need to use it because no one can stop him from taking them down. he did look good in his last 2 fights, and he has great takedowns, but he got suspeneded after one of those fights for failing a drug test and fought a guy with a rib injury. I would give the guy more credit if he didn't use testosterone replacement therapy, something I think is BS, a sport with guys in peak physical fitness, that are essentially fueled by excess testosterone, and you claim to have naturally low-and critical- testosterone levels? I don't buy it for a second, not from Chael, not from Nate Marquardt, not even from Dan Henderson, even at Dan's age, it is extremely rare for a man-let alone top notch atheletes- to suffer lower testosterone levels unless they have been abusing steroids in the past, and if that is the case, then I really have no sympathy for them. as for Chael's boxing, I think I have said here before he might be the weakest puncher at 185 in the UFC, no KO's, he gets TKO's with a volume of punches, and he could barely even cut Anderson even though a lot of people will say Chael dominated the fight, Anderson Silva did more damage and which had a greater impact in the fight with 1 punch from his back than the 300 shots Chael speaks so poetically about. His wrestling and takedowns are some of the best, but that is not enough anymore to call him a great fighter, a great wrestler who fights maybe. If he beats Anderson, I will have to eat some crow and tip my hat to the guy, but if he doesn't where does he go? You think he beats Vitor or any other guy near the top ten at 185? (excluding Yushin & Stann obviously) He has lost to Jason Miller, a guy who as some have said even if he beats Bisping-another guy I don't think he beats- Miller doesn't get any closer to a title fight. And even if Chael gets and wins another fight after losing to Anderson a 2nd time, does he ask to get a chance to lose 3 to Silva like he has to Jeremy Horn, the definition of a journeyman gatekeeper of lower level fight organiztions around the world? Chael Sonnen is a great wrestler and an even greater self promoter, but has also been suspended for failing a drug test and a convicted criminal and a rat (part of his plea deal), something that never seems to come up, probably because he does such a good job of distracting everyone with all the crap he says, and I think he plans it and likes it that way. I kind of perversely admire him for his tactics, deceptive as they are, but that does not convince me he is a great fighter, just a great promoter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 he did look good in his last 2 fights, and he has great takedowns, but he got suspeneded after one of those fights for failing a drug test and fought a guy with a rib injury. I would give the guy more credit if he didn't use testosterone replacement therapy, something I think is BS, a sport with guys in peak physical fitness, that are essentially fueled by excess testosterone, and you claim to have naturally low-and critical- testosterone levels? I don't buy it for a second, not from Chael, not from Nate Marquardt, not even from Dan Henderson, even at Dan's age, it is extremely rare for a man-let alone top notch atheletes- to suffer lower testosterone levels unless they have been abusing steroids in the past, and if that is the case, then I really have no sympathy for them. Whether you believe it or not, his legal team provided evidence via his physician that he needed the test replacement therapy medically and he had also previously notified the athletic commissions of it previously, and that's why his suspension was cut from a year to 6-months. As for Silva's rib injury, he claims to be injured after almost every fight and very rarely does any figher go into a fight 100 percent. Injuries happen. If they're bad enough to pull out, the fighter will pull out, if they stay and fight then the injury isn't serious enough to complain about or to blame on the result of performance. as for Chael's boxing, I think I have said here before he might be the weakest puncher at 185 in the UFC, no KO's, he gets TKO's with a volume of punches, and he could barely even cut Anderson even though a lot of people will say Chael dominated the fight, Anderson Silva did more damage and which had a greater impact in the fight with 1 punch from his back than the 300 shots Chael speaks so poetically about. His wrestling and takedowns are some of the best, but that is not enough anymore to call him a great fighter, a great wrestler who fights maybe. I disagree on him being a weak puncher. He's hurt people with strikes before (including rocking Silva on the feet in their match). And how can you say that Silva did more damage? The statistics disagree with you. If he beats Anderson, I will have to eat some crow and tip my hat to the guy, but if he doesn't where does he go? You think he beats Vitor or any other guy near the top ten at 185? (excluding Yushin & Stann obviously) He has lost to Jason Miller, a guy who as some have said even if he beats Bisping-another guy I don't think he beats- Miller doesn't get any closer to a title fight. And even if Chael gets and wins another fight after losing to Anderson a 2nd time, does he ask to get a chance to lose 3 to Silva like he has to Jeremy Horn, the definition of a journeyman gatekeeper of lower level fight organiztions around the world? He's already beaten three of the current top 10 middleweights, and almost beat the champ. I don't see how you can continue to say he's not a good fighter with wins over top guys like that. Also, I would take him over Vitor and Bisping, and I would also take him in a rematch with Maia. I don't think he'll beat Silva in the rematch, but he's still a very marketable fighter and is much better than a gatekeeper. And what do you mean re: Jason Miller? Sonnen beat him and that fight was in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Whether you believe it or not, his legal team provided evidence via his physician that he needed the test replacement therapy medically and he had also previously notified the athletic commissions of it previously, and that's why his suspension was cut from a year to 6-months.Actually I think they initially reduced his suspension from a year to six months... then they extended it to indefinitely when it became apparent that he lied during his appeal hearing. http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=6563904 The fun parts: LOS ANGELES -- The California State Athletic Commission voted 4-1 on Wednesday at a special hearing to uphold an indefinite suspension of mixed martial artist Chael Sonnen.The suspension, issued April 19, came after the commission's legal counsel believed Sonnen may have perjured himself during testimony at an appeal hearing in December related to his ban for elevated levels of testosterone following a UFC middleweight championship fight against Anderson Silva on Aug. 7. During testimony, Sonnen stood by his statements from a Dec. 2 hearing in Sacramento, Calif. Sonnen said it was his "understanding" that the Nevada State Athletic Commission approved his use of testosterone replacement therapy through a therapeutic use exemption in 2008. He also said he was personally informed that he would not need to again declare testosterone on pre-bout medical questionnaires distributed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Sonnen "believed that this advice would apply" to similar forms in California, according to his declaration.Keith Kizer, executive director of the NSAC, testified over streaming video from Las Vegas that neither he nor Nevada commission-licensed doctors granted Sonnen a therapeutic use exemption, which allows for prescribed medication to be used by a licensed competitor if it's deemed necessary for his or her well-being. Sonnen, Kizer said, was never told he didn't need to disclose testosterone treatments. "That is a false statement," Kizer said. Unlike Sonnen's seven previous fights since the treatment began, he tested positive for an abnormally high testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio of 16.9 after the Silva bout. California's allowed limit is 4.0. This is why his last fight was in Texas, the UFC had to go commission shopping to find a place that would allow Sonnen to fight. I haven't been able to find anything that says he's able to fight in California or Nevada... because both places have suspended him indefinitely. He can reapply in CA in 2012. So I'm betting his next fight is in Brazil or Texas again. Here is an article on Sonnen that quotes Munoz. Apparently Munoz beat his ass when they wrestled in college and Sonnen tried to cheat. And of course there is the fact that he's a convicted criminal for defrauding a mortgage company out of $69,000. Edited December 2, 2011 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 This is why his last fight was in Texas, the UFC had to go commission shopping to find a place that would allow Sonnen to fight. I haven't been able to find anything that says he's able to fight in California or Nevada... because both places have suspended him indefinitely. He can reapply in CA in 2012. So I'm betting his next fight is in Brazil or Texas again. I know that Sonnen is currently free to apply for a CSAC license but I can't find anything regarding the status of the license/application either. According to this story, he's free to apply for a NSAC license as of yesterday: http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2011/1011/545567/chael-sonnen/ According to a report by Fighters Only Magazine, UFC middleweight contender Chael Sonnen can apply for his fighting license from the Nevada State Athletic Commission beginning December 1.Sonnen was suspended last year by the California State Athletic Commission after testing positive for a higher-than-normal level of testosterone. Sonnen said it was due to treatment he was receiving, and even made critical comments that drew heat from NSAC director Keith Kizer. "Any applicant may apply for a 2012 license as of December 1, 2011," Kizer said. "I cannot really comment beyond that, but I am always hopeful that any applicant can meet his or her burden to obtain a license." Sonnen, who defeated Brian Stann this past weekend at UFC 136: Edgar vs. Maynard III, called out UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva for a rematch on Super Bowl weekend from Las Vegas. UFC President Dana White said he doesn't believe Sonnen will encounter any trouble getting his license to fight in Nevada, making it very possible that the fight is signed shortly. I imagine we'll be hearing about whether he gets the license or not soon. Obviously Dana White doesn't think he'll have any trouble getting licensed in Nevada and I doubt Sonnen does either considering he tried to call out Silva to fight in Vegas on Super Bowl weekend initially (before receiving news of Silva's latest injury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) I don't doubt that he'll get his license back... we are talking about gaming commissions here after all. The point is that his suspension wasn't reduced because he proved that he was taking TRT treatments legitimately. It was reduced because he claimed that he had already been cleared by Nevada and they imposed 6 months instead. Once it was discovered that he lied his ass off at his appeal hearing and that he had never received an exemption from Nevada they made his suspension indefinite. He currently can't fight in Nevada or California. None of that clears his test result of four times the testosterone ratio. Even with TRT treatments properly reported and allowed that level would not be acceptable. He cheated. Then he lied about it to the gaming commission and to everyone that would listen to him. Contrast Sonnen with how the UFC treated Nate Marquardt. Nate DID go through the proper channels but he wasn't able to get the ratio down to below the allowed limit in time for his fight against Rick Story and the UFC dropped him. His suspension was lifted PSAC less than a month later because his levels did come down (just not in time for the fight). He doesn't sell fights like a criminal that is willing to say anything though so his next fight is with British Association of Mixed Martial Arts or (hilariously) BAMMA. Edited December 2, 2011 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 http://mmajunkie.com/news/26343/tuf-14-finale-live-and-official-weigh-in-results-7-p-m-et.mma MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) was on scene and reporting live from today's official fighter weigh-ins for The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale, where main-event fighter Michael Bisping both missed weight on his first attempt and left the stage with choice words for the ceremony's audience.Ultimately, though, he hit the needed 186 pounds. Today's festivities took place at the Key West Ballroom at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas. The same Sin City venue plays host to Saturday's Spike TV-televised event. Bisping weighed 186.25 pounds on his first attempt even after stripping naked for the weigh-in. "I could give a [expletive] about [expletive] getting love," Bisping said. "All I care about is smashing this [expletive] head in. [Expletive] you all." Bisping's gone full Koscheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) Whether you believe it or not, his legal team provided evidence via his physician that he needed the test replacement therapy medically and he had also previously notified the athletic commissions of it previously, and that's why his suspension was cut from a year to 6-months. As for Silva's rib injury, he claims to be injured after almost every fight and very rarely does any figher go into a fight 100 percent. Injuries happen. If they're bad enough to pull out, the fighter will pull out, if they stay and fight then the injury isn't serious enough to complain about or to blame on the result of performance. I disagree on him being a weak puncher. He's hurt people with strikes before (including rocking Silva on the feet in their match). And how can you say that Silva did more damage? The statistics disagree with you. He's already beaten three of the current top 10 middleweights, and almost beat the champ. I don't see how you can continue to say he's not a good fighter with wins over top guys like that. Also, I would take him over Vitor and Bisping, and I would also take him in a rematch with Maia. I don't think he'll beat Silva in the rematch, but he's still a very marketable fighter and is much better than a gatekeeper. And what do you mean re: Jason Miller? Sonnen beat him and that fight was in 2002. Your right I was wrong about Miller. I think Chael is a good fighter, but not a great one, I look at his past fights before he took TRT, and he was a middle of the road type of guy, then on TRT, he has improved, but I would like to see him fight clean, or at least not on TRT before I can give him full credit for his recent performances. There is no way he is the #2 MW, part of that is hype, but I will say that he belongs in the top 10 for now, but after Silva II- if it happens, I think you will see him drop quickly out of title contention, and sort of settle where I think he really ranks, slightly above the Wandy's, & Leben's of the world. Ryo Chonan has beaten Anderson and Hayaoto Sakurai, but that doesn't mean he should be ranked the #2 MW, (but I bet he will be if the UFC brings him over after they run out of 185'ers for Andy to fight), like how people rank Sonnen, I honestly think he should be ranked at 6, behind Andy, Lombard, Mounoz, Vitor and Belcher or Souza. I wont go into his medical stuff, Destino did a pretty good job of showing how much of a crock of crap that whole thing was, but missed the story on how Chael's Dr at the hearing was a aging and wellness specialist, and came off as a big fraud who did not know who Dana White was when asked by the commission. As for the first fight, I won't go into that again, I have posted my thoughts on that fight in this thread before. All I will say is that if you watch that fight again, you will not be as impressed with Chael and will be more impressed with Silva compared to when you watched the fight the first time. A lot of people who wanted to see Andy lose, attributed Anderson's weak performance to Chael's attack, but when you watch it again it is clear that something is just not right with Silva, and Chael's attack is not doing as much damage as most people initially thought. He is marketable, and I think the smartest thing to do is sit him for Andy, but I do not think he really deserves it, it will just make the most money, and sped up Chael''s eventual spot on Fox's UFC desk. i want to see him there, or in some similar type of job after he is done fighting, he will be great, I am just sick of his Anderson smack and can't wait for Silva to shut him up, or at least tone him down a little, on that topic, but please, keep the ring girl comment,s twitter exchanges, Nog brothers bus jokes and the rest, that is some good entertainment. Edited December 3, 2011 by artmonkforHOF forgot to finish a sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I know it's like the 800th TUF Finale, but man reading the names on this card makes me feel out of the loop. I used to know plenty of prospects names that hadn''t fought in the UFC yet, but the only other fighters I've heard of aside from Bisping/Miller are Ferguson and Edwards. It's like a Strikeforce Challengers card! Not complaining at all, these kind of cards are required for developing new talent. In a way it's kind of exciting to think that perhaps one day a couple of these relatively unknowns might make it to the top of the heap. By the way, just for kicks, a blast from the past: xqyu6qCnSfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I've posted in the 'Show Yourselves' thread before but I don't think I've posted any pics of me in this thread...well today was a pretty exciting day for me, after training bjj for a little over a year & a half I got promoted to blue belt this morning, along with my buddy who started training around the same time. I'm the taller, balder one on the left: Now it's time to go celebrate by eating badly and drinking craft beer :pint: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Congratulations man! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx491 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Now it's time to go celebrate by eating badly and drinking craft beer :pint: Congrats, that's awesome! I've always wanted to get into it but I have never had the time or active motivation to actually start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 So jelly. Congrats man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Congrats on the promotion 98. ---------- Post added December-3rd-2011 at 05:48 PM ---------- http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/12/3/2608702/mark-munoz-vs-chael-sonnen-ufc-on-fox-2 So much for Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen II up next.The UFC announced Saturday that Sonnen will face Mark Munoz in the co-main event of UFC on Fox 2 in Chicago, IL, on Saturday, January 28th. It will be a no. 1 contender's bout with the winner getting the next shot at Silva. The announcement also confirmed that Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis will be the main event and that a public press conference is set for this Wednesday at 1 pm EST featuring all four men and UFC President Dana White. Tickets go on sale next Friday for the event, which begins at 8 pm EST on Fox. The broadcast will run for two hours. Other fights that have reportedly been signed but not yet confirmed include Evan Dunham vs. Paul Sass, Demetrious Johnson vs. Eddie Wineland, Cody McKenzie vs. Michael Johnson and Jon Olav Einemo vs. Mike Russow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thanks guys I really appreciate it. So it looks like UFC on Fox 2 is going to be pretty good afterall. Evans/Davis Sonnen/Munoz (both title contention matches or is the LHW winner fighting Henderson?) Plus Mighty Mouse vs. Eddie Wineland which is bound to be entertaining, Evan Dunham vs. Paul Sass (Sass has won all of his fights except one by submission and he pulls guard all the time, should be interesting), and also Cody McKenzie (10 of his 12 wins have been via guillotine) vs Michael Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I scored that fight 29-28 for Yves Edwards. Close though, wouldn't be shocked to see it go to Tony Ferguson Best Yves has looked in some time. ---------- Post added December-3rd-2011 at 09:10 PM ---------- 30-27 cards for that fight? The rest of the card better try to finish their opponents tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 two judges scored that 30-27 for Ferguson? I'm a little surprised by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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