How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens

[brewdogmike]

The Mexican Solution

If you think these critics are mad about U.S. immigration policy now, imagine how upset they would be if we adopted an approach far more radical than the bill they rail against which was adopted last year by the House of Representatives - namely, the way Mexico treats illegal aliens.

For example, according to an official translation published by the Organization of American States, the Mexican constitution includes the following restrictions:

• Pursuant to Article 33, "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." This ban applies, among other things, to participation in demonstrations and the expression of opinions in public about domestic politics like those much in evidence in Los Angeles, New York and elsewhere in recent days.
  
• Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."
  
• Jobs for which Mexican citizenship is considered "indispensable" include, pursuant to Article 32, bans on foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports.
  
• Article 55 denies immigrants the right to become federal lawmakers. A Mexican congressman or senator must be "a Mexican citizen by birth." Article 91 further stipulates that immigrants may never aspire to become cabinet officers as they are required to be Mexican by birth. Article 95 says the same about Supreme Court justices.
  In accordance with Article 130, immigrants - even legal ones - may not become members of the clergy, either.
  
• Foreigners, to say nothing of illegal immigrants, are denied fundamental property rights. For example, Article 27 states, "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters."
  
• Article 11 guarantees federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country." What is more, private individuals are authorized to make citizen's arrests. Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." In other words, Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. Imagine the Minutemen exercising such a right!
  
• The Mexican constitution states that foreigners - not just illegal immigrants - may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."

[Major Harris]

are you saying we should emulate mexico?

[brewdogmike]

are you saying we should emulate mexico?

I think that, compared to what's already in place in Mexico, any kind of immigration reform that passes this year will be tame by comparison.

[iheartskins]

On first glance, this seems to be an example of "do as I say, not as I do."

[Major Harris]

On first glance, this seems to be an example of "do as I say, not as I do."

it definitely is.

and to be honest, i haven't completely formed my stance on the issue, but i do think that doing things relative to what other countries do is a dangerous thing.

[Henry]

I share my office with a naturalized citizen from Mexico. She says Mexico has as big a problem with illegals as we do because so many people are trying to get into the US through Mexico, and that Mexico doesn't like it any more than we do.

[Larry]

And I'll point out, the cases cited are how Mexico treats legal immigrants.

[DeanCollins]

are you saying we should emulate mexico?

I'll answer that with a Yes! The policy should be reciprocal, that's fair isn't it?

[Major Harris]

I'll answer that with a Yes! The policy should be reciprocal, that's fair isn't it?

umm, if it were the people making the policies in mexico that were trying to come here, then yes. but i don't think their gov't is here.

like i said, i'm not sure where i stand on this. but we shouldn't be basing what we do off of what friggin' mexico does. should we decapitate arab people?

[Larry]

should we decapitate arab people?

Oh, you had to open that can of worms, didn't you?

[Major Harris]

Oh, you had to open that can of worms, didn't you?

sorry, i was just trying to make a point. i really don't think that saying "hey, mexico does it, that makes it ok" is a good idea.

[Leonard Washington]

i would imagine not many people flee to mexico for economic freedom. while most would go there (illegally) if they're running from the law. so usa gets the best mexicans and the mexico gets the worst americans (spring breakers included :laugh: )

[Major Harris]

i would imagine not many people flee to mexico for economic freedom. while most would go there (illegally) if they're running from the law. so usa gets the best mexicans and the mexico gets the worst americans (spring breakers included :laugh: )

i think their immigration problem is more people from SA trying to get to the us, as noted earlier.

[SteelerSkins]

that's ok, as long as somehting that is inherently america-hating passes, the libs will be happy

[Zguy28]

sorry, i was just trying to make a point. i really don't think that saying "hey, mexico does it, that makes it ok" is a good idea.

I understand you're stance, and I agree. We shouldn't be basing policy and laws on what other nations think or legislate.

Unfortunately Justices Breyer, Kennedy, Ginsburg, and Stevens disagree.

[G-Prime]

On first glance, this seems to be an example of "do as I say, not as I do."

Exactly.. Unfortunately the US has become to cuddly and lovey dovey lately that people will for the most part ignore this and remain of the mind that we should bend over backwards for Mexico.

And they feel they have the right to tell us what they want in OUR immigration policy.. Dumb.. I wish the US behaved like this sometimes.. Especially when illegal aliens come into this country and commit violent crimes. But no.. We have to save everyone..

[DjTj]

Exactly.. Unfortunately the US has become to cuddly and lovey dovey lately that people will for the most part ignore this and remain of the mind that we should bend over backwards for Mexico.

And they feel they have the right to tell us what they want in OUR immigration policy.. Dumb.. I wish the US behaved like this sometimes.. Especially when illegal aliens come into this country and commit violent crimes. But no.. We have to save everyone..

Is there a particular policy you are referencing here?

AFAIK, all immigrants (legal or not) can be deported if they are convicted of a violent crime:

INA 237(a)(2)(A)(iii) Any alien who is convicted of an aggravated felony at any time after admission is deportable.

http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-20/slb-5516?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-act237