Ax Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I know there have been a flood of Art Monk threads, so I apologize for making another. However, I'm trying to determine as best I can which HOF voters need to be turned from the dark side, and a search didn't result in an answer. If you know how one of them voted, give us the info and I'll update the list below. This color indicates a Pro-Art voter. This color will be used for the idiots. These are the ones I think I have right. I'll correct any mistake you might know of as well. Thanks for helping. Pro Football Hall of Fame Board of Selectors Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic Mr. Somers responded that he did not vote this year. Atlanta Furman Bisher, The Atlanta Journal Most likely, based on recent article Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer Chicago Don Pierson, Chicago Tribune* Cincinnati Chick Ludwig, Dayton Daily News Big Monk supporter. Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News* Denver Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News Detroit Jerry Green, The Detroit News* Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Based on his blog, and email. Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle* He answered my email. Nice guy. Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFX Overland Park, KS Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald* Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune New England Ron Borges, Boston Globe New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record New York (Jets) Paul Zimmerman, Sports Illustrated Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange From his email response. Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch San Diego Jerry Magee, San Diego Union Tribune* San Francisco Ira Miller, San Francisco Chronicle* Found an article where he said so. Seattle John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean According to his email. Washington Len Shapiro, Washington Post* PFWA David Elfin, Washington Times At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today At Large Dave Goldberg, Associated Press* At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated At Large Bob Oates, Los Angeles Times At Large Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com At Large Mike Wilbon, Washington Post * Also serves on the Senior Selection Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDFan5 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 11. Please do not use the “Quote” feature to quote huge blocks of text or pictures.If you would like to respond to the contents of a particular post, simply quote the sentence or idea that you're commenting upon, not necessarily the entire post. It wastes space on the database and unnecessarily extends and clutters threads. Nobody truly knows who votes for a canidate. Guys like King who are honest they voted against him ok. But has Zimmerman or Pastabelly said they voted against him? As for guys that say they voted for him how do you know? The votes are sealed. They can say whatever you want to hear to keep their email box from being flooded even if they really voted against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I think Rick Gosslein is against based on his statement about a "signature catch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizSkins Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Cliff Christl was adamantly against Art Monk last year. He had a blog about all the reasons why he was against Art Monk. I also wrote him in a what I thought was an even-handed letter, but it was fairly obvious to me from his response that his mind was closed on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 Thanks guys, keep'em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullets Fever Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Ira Miller in a 12/18/2005 column on sfgate.com said about Art Monk's candidacy "his time is overdue" -- I believe he is a yes. I saw a list compiled by Rick Gosselin ranking the WR's which had Bob Hayes, Cliff Branch, Otis Taylor and Drew Pearson ranked ahead of Monk approx. 2 years ago -- I did a search today and could not find it. Bernie Miklasz, in a 1/18/2002 St. Louis Post-Dispatch article. said he put a "pretty strong yes" beside Monk's name for HOF induction. I saw in one of his columns that John McClain's wife is a big Redskin fan and has given him grief every time Monk doesn't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDFan5 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I saw a list compiled by Rick Gosselin ranking the WR's which had Bob Hayes, Cliff Branch, Otis Taylor and Drew Pearson ranked ahead of Monk approx. 2 years ago -- I did a search today and could not find it. Do a search for rick gosselin art monk and halfway down you will find a write up from his blog where he says Monk deserves to be in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Cliff Christl was adamantly against Art Monk last year. He had a blog about all the reasons why he was against Art Monk. I also wrote him in a what I thought was an even-handed letter, but it was fairly obvious to me from his response that his mind was closed on the subject. Me too. He at least reponded to my email, and we went back and forth a bit. He's clearly not changing his mind, which is too bad because his reasoning is the worst of the nay-sayers. Just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullets Fever Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Do a search for rick gosselin art monk and halfway down you will find a write up from his blog where he says Monk deserves to be in The entry I saw by Gosselin said that Monk had the statistics to be in the HOF -- I didn't see an endorsement. His comment could be interpreted as a back-handed slap at Monk using the compiler argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 The entry I saw by Gosselin said that Monk had the statistics to be in the HOF -- I didn't see an endorsement. His comment could be interpreted as a back-handed slap at Monk using the compiler argument. Same thing I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Somebody just needs to make a recording of all the times Monk got us the first down on 3rd and long or got our offense going when it couldn't move the ball in games. A player like him is what this offense was missing this year even though we had Cooley, but Cooley disappeared in some games. Monk stepped up in those situations and was a huge reason our average teams could win 10-11 games, and our great ones made it through the playoffs with wins because of his key plays that are less recognized. He did this for more than a decade, that makes him a HOFer. The biggest thing holding Monk back I think is that he was injured during 2 of our SB winning seasons and was less than 100% in the 1988 SB and wasn't used much (1 catch 40 yards). Thats nothing to hold against him. He still held the most important receiving records when he retired and had a great game in sb 26. What did Largent ever do in the postseason? How about Joiner? Those are the 2 guys who held the receptions record before Monk, they are in the HOF too. 0 SB rings or appearances between them. In fact, their teams lost more than won. The record that got both of them into the HOF is somehow not enough for Monk even though he did a lot more in his career other than set that record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy thurman Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 it still burns my *** that Art is not in the HOF -- anyone who is a true follower of football knows that he belongs, all the guys who did not vote for Art continue to show that its politics, not whether they actually deserve it -- Art will always be in my Hall of Fame!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmeworry Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 it still burns my *** that Art is not in the HOF -- anyone who is a true follower of football knows that he belongs, all the guys who did not vote for Art continue to show that its politics, not whether they actually deserve it -- Art will always be in my Hall of Fame!!!!!! When I tell people Monk is not in the Hall they say i'm wrong, of course he is.Like they figure its a gimme that he would be in. I guess we'll have to wait until Pastabelly and Queen croak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 *Updated: Kooney from Oakland.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I traded emails with Gosselin and he said Art Monk was a nice guy and all but didn't deserve to be in the HOF because he didn't have a signature catch. He is a no vote and a pig headed **** up dickwad ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 SkinsFTW is right. Monk was prolific in catching passes for first downs and many of those occured on 3rd down. I have no idea how to get those numbers and just as importantly compare them to other HOF WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Doesn't Monk have an outrageously high percentage of 3rd down catches for a first down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOS4SKINS Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Funny how Gosselin says Monk doesn't have a signature catch, though Lynn Swann did and it took him forever to get in. I have always agreed with the bias against the 70's Cowboys, because there should be more of them in there(even though I hate anyone who wears a star), but now I think there is a BIG BIAS against the Skins of the 80's and very early 90's. Monk, Grimm, Jacoby, Lachey, Bostic, and then a nod to Mann, Manley, and Marshall? I can see some not getting in, but maybe a nod? I mean come on. But it's ridiculous. Hall of Fames are nice but both the baseball and football writers screw it up all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I have yet to find how many votes short Monk was. Does anyone have that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Who knows but enough blaming king and Z. Who is the clown that is doing a half a55 job of representing D.C. on the HOF comittee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 Who knows but enough blaming king and Z. Who is the clown that is doing a half a55 job of representing D.C. on the HOF comittee? I know Mike Wilbon has in the past. According to King, at least Len Shapiro from the Post and David Elfin from the Times did this year. Also, I've updated the list again. Return emails are trickling in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I know Mike Wilbon has in the past.According to King, at least Len Shapiro from the Post and David Elfin from the Times did this year. Also, I've updated the list again. Return emails are trickling in. Hi Ax, I wanted to thank you for starting this thread. It has inspired me to create this site: http://artmonk.wordpress.com/ I'm going to try to research each and every Hall of Fame voter over the course of the next year. The project is just in its infancy, but I think there's a good amount of information out there to be compiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amm11387 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 whats funny is that ive always liked Wilbon, Clayton, and Shapiro even before all this stuff and Ive always hated Lenny and King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I have sent off an email to Ed Bouchette of the Post Gazette since I live here in Pittsburgh. I will update when I receive a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyf316 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Interesting how the ones who seem to be against Monk are from NY (Jets, but it's the same city), Dallas, Doofus King and Pastabelly. Seems to be some bias based on location and (at least in Pastabelly's case) hatred of Skins fans to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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