Enter Apotheosis Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ignoring the immense talent and success of both players, I think Taylor was the right pick. Look at it this way, had we drafted Roethlisberger instead we would have taken a risk and it is incredibly unlikely we would ever find a safety like ST again. Because we took him (an almost sure shot and a rare physical specimen) over Roethlisberger, that allowed us to pick up another QB in the very next draft with similar speed and potential. So, really, it was either Roethlisberger and another safety (who is not Darren Sharper or Polamalu and is therefore nowhere near the skill level of what we've got now) or Jason Campbell and ST. I prefer the latter, especially if Campbell develops into a solid QB (not even necessarily a great one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Definately Taylor. Ben is great but having such a dominant team around him doesn't hurt.Oh and nice work throwing Campbell under the bus... Relax...no one is throwing Campbell under the bus. Big Ben is a perfect quarterback.......for the Steelers. He fits in perfectly there. Would he have been as good in DC?? Who knows. He probably would not have played right away, that's for sure. Taylor came out of school being heralded as a game-changing safety, the best prospect at the position since Ronnie Lott. You don't take those kind of things lightly...He is a phenomenal athelete, and generally an all-around freak of nature. There isn't anything special about Big Ben to make him stand out; hell he was rated below Manning and Rivers, and some had Rogers higher than him. Taylor was the correct pick. Just be thankful we did not select Winslow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Relax...no one is throwing Campbell under the bus.Big Ben is a perfect quarterback.......for the Steelers. He fits in perfectly there. Would he have been as good in DC?? Who knows. He probably would not have played right away, that's for sure. Taylor came out of school being heralded as a game-changing safety, the best prospect at the position since Ronnie Lott. You don't take those kind of things lightly...He is a phenomenal athelete, and generally an all-around freak of nature. There isn't anything special about Big Ben to make him stand out; hell he was rated below Manning and Rivers, and some had Rogers higher than him. Taylor was the correct pick. Just be thankful we did not select Winslow...GREG WILLIAMS CONVINCED GIBBS TO TAKE TAYLOR,OR WE WOULD HAVE HAD SOLDIER BOY AT TE[/QUOTE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Clearly you have to answer this question based on how they are both playing, and not on some unknown projection of how Ben would have played had we taken him. I can't believe there is any debate. Franchise QB wins over every other player on the field. How is this even a question. Even good, consistent QB wins over Safety. Remove the homervision and be realistic. If you were to rank positions based on their importance to the team, where would the two be. Hint, one would be the first on the list, and the other would be in the middle somewhere. How do you take how both players are playing individually? You have to factor in the team. And I would take Sean over Ben any day in any draft. He is not a franchise QB just yet. In fact, lets play a little game; compare the number of "franchise" QB's (A QB picked in the first round that teams will build around) that have played in superbowl games since 1995, versus QBs drafted in the lower rounds or not at all. Very interesting correlation... It basically proves that with with a few exceptions, there is no such thing as a Franchise QB, a QB that can alter the destiny of a team by his very presence after being picked in the high rounds. I can find a bunch of competent game-managing QBs in a draft. Or even Free Agency. There are not that many Taylor's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Roethlisberger, no question. Taylor is a very significant part of our defense, but a franchise QB is always more valuable than a safety. Whom would you rather have on your team, the next John Elway, or the next Ronnie Lott. Picking Taylor is just being a homer. Just be glad the Giants FO was dumb enough to trade 2 #1s for Eli instead of picking Ben!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Taylor hands down Not surprising how naysayers always suffer from grass is greener on other teams. Just like some "Redskins fans?" think other teams will take our garbage for their stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ask this question on the Steeler's sight and you may get a different sample of answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg28daman Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 There have been guys that are comparitable to Roethlisberger, there aren't any players like Sean Taylor though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Roethlisberger in a heartbeat. The guy is clutch and is proving to be a franchise qb. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailskins26 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 big ben doesn't throw well enough to impress me. he plays to not lose- they call plays so that he doesnt have to beat teams himself (like Hasselback did to use last weekend). Big ben could never do that. also, how many late comebacks and miraculous comebacks has big ben had??? i wouldn't wanna come back in a game with him throwin. TAYLOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Is Ben facing jail time? I prefer the players who aren't on trial. Anyway, Taylor is a great player, but franchise qbs only come around once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 big ben doesn't throw well enough to impress me. he plays to not lose- they call plays so that he doesnt have to beat teams himself (like Hasselback did to use last weekend). Big ben could never do that. also, how many late comebacks and miraculous comebacks has big ben had??? i wouldn't wanna come back in a game with him throwin. TAYLOR I think he has 5 4th Quarter comebacks in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Taylor is great but safeties don't lead their teams to Super Bowls, QB's in many cases do. Franchise QBs don't come along all that often but hindsight is 20-20 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiswadeness Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ben 198 ypg / 1.9 sacs per game / 1.4 td per game / .75 int per game Brunell 190 ypg / 1.6 sacs per game / 1.4 TD per game / .62 Int per game If,as some say Brunell is washed up, I am confused. How can a washed up QB have numbers compareable to a QB as great as Ben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor21_INT_4_TD Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I love taylor wouldnt trade the pick even through the good and the bad...he makes defense way fun to watch....plus i think jason is gonna be a stud to wreckin with!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeownU Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 You guys are nuts !!!! Sure Taylor is a good player, but c'mon, we're talking about an oustanding young quarterback vs an outstanding (but troubled) young Safety???? Let me let you in on a little secret...........being on "Jacked up" every monday doesn't win you ballgames. Look at the final 4 teams still in the hunt for the superbowl. What do they all have in c'mon???? All outstanding QB play all season long. Roethlisberger, Delhomme, Plummer, and Hasselback. Now without looking, who can name all 8 safeties on each team? Thats what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Come on peoples....I'm a HUGE Sean Taylor fan and own a #36 and #21 jersey but this thread and the number of people saying ST is ridiculous. Big Ben is a big-time qb who is only 23 years old. And yes he's on a good team but they made it to the SuperBowl because of his arm and his ability to play big and WIN on the road. (Something that Brunell hasn't shown) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixius Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'm glad we have Taylor but he needs to work on his decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ben 198 ypg / 1.9 sacs per game / 1.4 td per game / .75 int per gameBrunell 190 ypg / 1.6 sacs per game / 1.4 TD per game / .62 Int per game If,as some say Brunell is washed up, I am confused. How can a washed up QB have numbers compareable to a QB as great as Ben? The Steelers have kept him on a short leash for most of the year. They have finally unleashed him in the playoffs. Here is the question: Can you even imagine a scenario where Brunell could go 21-29 for 275 and 2 TDs in a playoff game on the road? A lot of Roethlisberger's stats are skewed because when the Steelers get leads, they will run the ball 20 consecutive times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetST Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 well according to riggo-toni i'm a homer cause i would still pick ST like someone said earlier....there are a lot of good qbs that would fit into our offense but there's only one taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjcdaman Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Sean Taylor without a doubt. We filled a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I thought the Redskin fans would be the first to appreciate that a stacked team does not mean that every individual player is God's gift to football. Michael Irvin anyone? Ben is not a great franchise QB, he is a QB that plays for a great franchise. I would take Ben if I got the entire offense with him. If not, Sean does more for our defense than Ben does for his offense. And Montana would not have won that many SB's without Lott. Look up every 49er team that won the SB, and guess what... they did not have an upper echelon offense carrying a pitiful defense. They had an upper echelon offense and upper echelon defense. To dismiss Lott as some sort of coattail riding safety is absurd. Football is a team game, rarely do you find a player that makes his teammates better. I would put Sean in that category, knowing full well that the Redskin coordinators and players must share in that credit. Everyone that argues for Ben implies that he would turn us into a Superbowl caliber team, and/or have a 15-1 record. Guess what guys, we ARE a Superbowl caliber team already with Sean, we were the only team that could hang with Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetST Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I thought the Redskin fans would be the first to appreciate that a stacked team does not mean that every individual player is God's gift to football. Michael Irvin anyone? Ben is not a great franchise QB, he is a QB that plays for a great franchise. I would take Ben if I got the entire offense with him. If not, Sean does more for our defense than Ben does for his offense.And Montana would not have won that many SB's without Lott. Look up every 49er team that won the SB, and guess what... they did not have an upper echelon offense carrying a pitiful defense. They had an upper echelon offense and upper echelon defense. To dismiss Lott as some sort of coattail riding safety is absurd. Football is a team game, rarely do you find a player that makes his teammates better. I would put Sean in that category, knowing full well that the Redskin coordinators and players must share in that credit. Everyone that argues for Ben implies that he would turn us into a Superbowl caliber team, and/or have a 15-1 record. Guess what guys, we ARE a Superbowl caliber team already with Sean, we were the only team that could hang with Seattle. what a great post....i share ur thoughts :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Fence Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hinsdight is always 20/20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFan63 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Taylor. Without a doubt Cheers to that! Hail!:point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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