Official "France is burning" thread...

[Art Monk Fan]

We all know that the best used weapons come from the French....

....never been fired, only thrown down once.

[NavyDave]

Good to see how the socialist , politically correct welfare state over there deals with unrest from ungrateful immigrants and children of who don't assimilate into society

[Air Force Cane]

excellent work DjTj-

you can do a google search and find hundreds of articles on the poor "youth" who are facing "unemployment and shoddy housing". which is nice justification for unleasing an Intifada on Paris.

in case you haven't seen the latest:

French "youth" last night lit a handicapped woman on fire on the bus and set her ablaze with 20% of her body covered in third degree burns...

[Soliloquy]

Belmont Club has some interesting observations

Where to?

When are the Paris riots going to end? Reuters reports that things may be dying down or just getting started.

Rioting erupted again late on Thursday despite hopes that festivities ending the fasting month of Ramadan would calm rioters, many of them Muslims of North African origin protesting against race bias they say keeps them in a second-class status. ...

Police said there were fewer confrontations than previous nights when police and fire crews were fired upon by some rioters. They said 150 vehicles had been destroyed overnight. ...

For the first time disturbances spread outside the Paris region, youths torching cars in Dijon, Rouen and the Bouches-du-Rhone area dominated by Marseille, though the extent of the unrest was not immediately clear.

An AP-sourced story quotes Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy as imputing a strategic plan to the disturbances; in which case the riots have gone beyond their original roots and are now a vehicle to advance a broader political or ideological agenda, though who is providing encouragement is not yet clear.

Mr. de Villepin's major political rival, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said yesterday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized," Agence France-Presse reported.

"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Mr. Sarkozy told French news channel I-Tele.

Commentary

I originally thought the clashes would peter out from a combination of exhaustion and the colder weather. But maybe there's more fuel on the ground than just the local grievances in some housing estates. The disturbances are no longer about two teenagers electrocuted while fleeing the police. They are now about French presidential politics, race, jobs, immigration, multiculturalism -- with perhaps a touch of Islamic ideology thrown in. As such the riots have become national, Europe-wide and maybe even global events.

The riots have already reached 20 suburbs of Paris. The Reuters story suggests they may now be spreading to other cities. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy is hinting darkly of conspiracies. Should one conclude even more serious developments are in the offing? I don't know. I think that neither Sarkozy nor the conspirators he refers to understand the exact potential of this thing, which is behaving like a chaotic system whose trajectory is difficult to predict except in the very short term.

Ideally, Sarkozy would be looking to simplify the situation by fixing some variables so that the remainder of the system will behave in a more linear manner; gradually damping it down until it can be controlled. But splits within the French cabinet have done the opposite: they have added more variables to the mix and now it's shake, rattle and roll.

In these situations, as most rabble-rousers know, there is typically a race on the ground to see who can 'harness' the energies unleashed to best advantage. My own guess, without any special knowledge, is that 'community moderates', ideological radicals and even gangsters are in a derby to see who can control events. The French government by contrast, seems tied up in knots and is casting around for leverage, a way to get a handle on the events of the past week. Things could stop tomorrow or zoom off in some unexpected direction. Nothing to do but watch and wait.

[Sarge]

SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surrender now and get on a prayer rug!

[Larry]

An AP-sourced story quotes Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy as imputing a strategic plan to the disturbances; in which case the riots have gone beyond their original roots and are now a vehicle to advance a broader political or ideological agenda, though who is providing encouragement is not yet clear.

I bet I know what religion he is.

[Sarge]

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=24044&name=Algerian+group+calls+France+’enemy+number+one’

Algerian group calls France 'enemy number one'

PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as "enemy number one", intelligence officials said Tuesday.

"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr," the group's leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.

"France is our enemy number one, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community," he was quoted as saying.

France was mentioned 15 times in the text, and the Algerian government was also targeted, the officials said.

Nine people detained in a series of raids west of Paris Monday are suspected members of the GSPC, officials have said. They were being questioned for a second day Tuesday at the headquarters of the DST domestic intelligence agency.

Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Monday that the risk of terrorist attack in France is "at a very high level... There are cells operating on our territory."

Suspected terrorist cell raided by French police

Sarkozy defends tough new anti-terror law

Islamic firebrand calls on Muslims to leave Europe

Dozen French potential suicide bombers in Iraq

The GSPC was created from a split in the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), the main force in Algeria's long insurgency which was also responsible for a series of bombings in France in 1995.

[Johnny Punani2]

Welcome to the new global conflict france...

[Thiebear]

At this point you should give the rioters the riot gear.. they would at least do something with it.

[DarkLadyRaven]

Welcome to the new global conflict france...

Since Frances Eiffle Tower had been targeted SINCE 1995 by Muslim Extremist the welocme is a bit belated

[Thiebear]

Since Frances Eiffle Tower had been targeted SINCE 1995 by Muslim Extremist the welocme is a bit belated

Ahh but now they are actually *Doing* something because its active now.

Looking at it on t.v. now... its not pretty... And some people in the press got steel ones...

[Sarge]

ANd some people want us to adopt an immigration policy like the euroweenies:rolleyes:

No thank you.

I'm waiting for France to ask for help from NATO. I think this time we should just let the bad guys take them over

[Spaceman Spiff]

ANd some people want us to adopt an immigration policy like the euroweenies:rolleyes:

No thank you.

I'm waiting for France to ask for help from NATO. I think this time we should just let the bad guys take them over

I'm waiting for France to ask help from us. You know, after they've surrendered and everything.

[Mickalino]

Just curious, why it's okay to make derogatory remarks against the French ethnicity, but it's not okay to make discriminating remarks about other cultures and ethnicities ???

[dreamingwolf]

Just curious, why it's okay to make derogatory remarks against the French ethnicity, but it's not okay to make discriminating remarks about other cultures and ethnicities ???

why isnt it ok?

I could see why Polland or Luxemburg or something, but france I wouldnt think that one would need a why.

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

Just curious, why it's okay to make derogatory remarks against the French ethnicity, but it's not okay to make discriminating remarks about other cultures and ethnicities ???

What are the French going to do about it?

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[dreamingwolf]

What are the French going to do about it?

.

::snicker::

:applause:

[Skins24]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/07/D8DNMVOO3.html

Rioting Spreads to 300 Towns in France

Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight, and a 61-year- old man hurt in the violence died of his wounds, the first fatality in 11 days of unrest that has shocked the country, police said Monday.

As urban unrest spread to neighboring Belgium and possibly Germany, the French government faced growing criticism for its inability to stop the violence, despite massive police deployment and continued calls for calm.

Meanwhile, governments worldwide urged their citizens to be careful in France.

On Sunday night, vandals burned more than 1,400 vehicles, and clashes around the country left 36 police injured, setting a new high for overnight arson and violence since rioting started last month, national police chief Michel Gaudin told a news conference.

Australia, Britain, Germany and Japan advised their citizens to exercise care in France, joining the United States, Russia and at least a half dozen other countries in warning tourists to stay away from violence-hit areas.

The victim was identified as Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, a retired auto industry worker who died after being beaten by an attacker. He was trying to extinguish a trash can fire Friday at his housing project in the northeastern suburb of Stains when an attacker caught him by surprise and beat him into a coma, police said.

Apparent copycat attacks spread outside France for the first time, with five cars torched outside Brussels' main train station, police in the Belgian capital said.

The mayhem started as an outburst of anger in suburban Paris housing projects and has fanned out nationwide among disaffected youths, mostly of Muslim or African origin, to become France's worst civil unrest in more than a decade.

Attacks overnight Sunday to Monday were reported in 274 towns, and police made 395 arrests, Gaudin said.

"This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said, noting that the violence appeared to be sliding away from its flash point in the Parisian suburbs and worsening elsewhere.

It was the first time police had been injured by weapons' fire and there were signs that rioters were deliberately seeking out clashes with police, officials said.

Among the injured police, 10 were hurt by youths firing fine-grain birdshot in a late-night clash in the southern Paris suburb of Grigny, national police spokesman Patrick Hamon said. Two were hospitalized, but the injuries were not considered life-threatening. One was wounded in the neck, the other in the legs.

The unrest began Oct. 27 in the low-income Paris suburb of Clichy- sous-Bois after the deaths of two teenagers of Mauritanian and Tunisian origin. The youths were accidentally electrocuted as they hid from police in a power substation. They apparently thought they were being chased.

About 4,700 cars have been burned in France since the rioting began and 1,200 suspects were detained at least temporarily, Gaudin said.

The growing violence is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with high unemployment, racial discrimination and despair _ fertile terrain for crime of all sorts as well as for Muslim extremists offering frustrated youths a way out.

France, with 5 million Muslims, has the largest Islamic population in Western Europe.

President Jacques Chirac, whose government is under intense pressure to halt the violence, promised stern punishment for those behind the attacks, making his first public comments Sunday since the riots started.

"The law must have the last word," Chirac said after a security meeting with top ministers. France is determined "to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear, and they will be arrested, judged and punished."

France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."

Arsonists burned two schools and a bus in the central city of Saint- Etienne and its suburbs, and two people were injured in the bus attack. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete, he said.

In Colombes in suburban Paris, youths pelted a bus with rocks, sending a 13-month-old child to the hospital with a head injury, Hamon said, while a daycare center was burned in Saint-Maurice, another Paris suburb.

Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions.

**

So uh....who didn't see this coming?

[Sarge]

Now the mulisms are spreading their little intifada to Berlin. I'd say watch how the politzi handle the situation, but the Germans have been so de-balled over the past few years by No-heart Scrodum, they'll probably sit back and watch their towns burn too.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=ajYEJxJUWxus&refer=europe

Berlin Car Fires May Be Inspired by French Rioters, Police Say

Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Arsonists who burned five cars in Berlin today may have sought to imitate rioters in France, police in the German capital said. Another three cars were set alight at a car dealer in the northern German city of Bremen.

``As it can't be ruled out that these were imitation acts linked to the events in France, Berlin police will reinforce their presence,'' according to a statement on the police Web site. The unidentified suspects responsible for the fires in Berlin's Moabit district escaped, police said.

In the central Brussels area of Gare du Midi, five cars were burned by vandals, Agence France-Presse cited police in the Belgian capital as saying today. Belgian officials downplayed any connection with the French violence, saying the unrest was a local incident, the news agency reported.

More than 1,220 people have been arrested and about 4,700 vehicles have been torched in France since Oct. 27, as violence spread to cities throughout the country after youths rioted in several Paris suburbs. The unrest began after two youths in the Paris suburb of Clichy were electrocuted during what witnesses said was an attempt to flee a police check.

In Bremen, unidentified arsonists also set alight a garbage container and a disused school building late yesterday, the city's police said on their Web site, without making a connection to the violence in France.

To contact the reporter on this story:

Friederike Peters in Berlin at fpeters1@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: November 7, 2005 10:03 EST

[Destino]

Europe will do what it always has done....wait far too long to take the threat seriously. France has a real problem on their hands because the extremists lunatics aren't going to let this chance to spread their anti-western hatred.

[Sarge]

Al Reuters just doesn't have the word "terrorist" in thier lexicon

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20051107-122439-9658r_page2.htm

Paris police fear rioters' heavy arms

By Jennifer Joan Lee

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

November 7, 2005

PARIS -- Police officers, exhausted and dispirited after 11 nights of street battles, say their mainly young African and Arab adversaries have access to sophisticated weapons including grenades and could soon begin using them.

A dozen officers were injured, two of them seriously, after being shot with hunting rifles fitted with lead pellets during rioting last night in the suburb of Grigny, south of Paris, police said.

Jean-Christophe Carne, president of a police trade union, told The Washington Times before last night's outbreak that police officers were increasingly pessimistic that civic order would be restored anytime soon.

"Most of these kids are being coached by professional petty criminals and gang leaders in the suburbs," said Mr. Carne, president of Action Police CFTC.

"In the past, when we have cracked down on these criminals in their homes, we found drugs, grenades and heavy weapons such as guns. While they haven't started using these arms yet, there's also no reason to think they wouldn't."

About 200 rioters took part in last night's rioting in Grigny, pelting police with stones and bottles and shooting shotgun pellets. "The pellets will not kill a person if fired from a distance, but in some circumstances, they can do serious harm, such as blind someone," said a police spokesman.

In other areas ringing the French capital, as well as in cities and towns across the country, arsonists continued to attack cars, buses, schools, social centers and day care centers as well as other public buildings using homemade gasoline bombs.

In St. Etienne, an old industrial city in the center of France, vandals set a bus on fire, injuring two persons. While in Colombes, a suburb west of Paris, a baby was injured by stones ricocheting off a bus under attack.

President Jacques Chirac declared earlier yesterday that restoring security and public order was an "absolute priority."

Speaking publicly for the first time since the rioting began Oct. 27, Mr. Chirac said, "The law must have the last word. The republic is quite determined, by definition, to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear."

Mr. Chirac, who had been criticized for his silence at a time of crisis, issued his statement after meeting top ministers on domestic security.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, who attended the meeting, said security throughout the country will be reinforced and court procedures accelerated so that those arrested can be tried immediately.

Later in the evening, Muslim leaders also called for an end to violence, issuing a religious edict, or fatwa, against rioting. French authorities have hinted that Islamic militants may be manipulating angry teenagers to defy the government, using the Internet to organize the unrest.

Despite the tough talk from government and community leaders, there has been no mention yet of whether the army would be called in, or whether a curfew would be imposed to suppress the rioting, the worst in France since the 1968 student riots. Overtaxed police officers, however, are hoping to see such reinforcements.

"With every passing day, the violence gets worse and we are incapable of dealing with it," Mr. Carne said. "Morale within the police is at zero, and I am very pessimistic that the situation can be resolved without a major reinforcement of security."

Mr. Carne said three policewomen assaulted in the Normandy town of Evreux on Saturday night were likely targeted because they were outnumbered by attackers, adding that it took two hours before additional officers were able to reach the scene.

Arsonists destroyed more than 3,300 vehicles and dozens of buildings since the unrest began. In an unprecedented show of hostility, gangs of youths yesterday also began increasing their attacks on police, hitting them with everything from rocks to Molotov ****tails.

More than 800 people have been arrested, of which 20 have been convicted and sentenced to at least one year in prison.

Over the weekend, police also found a gasoline bomb-making workshop in a derelict building in Evry, south of Paris, with more than 100 bottles ready to be turned into Molotov ****tails, 50 more ready to use, as well as fuel stocks and hoods for hiding rioters' faces.

Speaking to the Associated Press, Justice Ministry official Jean-Marie Huet said the discovery shows that gasoline bombs "are not being improvised by kids in their bathrooms."

Mr. Hamon told AP that the rioters were also coordinating attacks through cell phone text messages as they gradually become better organized.

Reuters news agency quoted authorities saying drug traffickers and Islamist militants were also using the Internet to organize the unrest.

[NavyDave]

Hey they are just blowing off steam.

And it president Bush's fault.

[NavyDave]

This would never happen in America.

Can you imagine them trying to burn a 1000 cars in West Virginny, PG County, Md or DC??

Heck in W Va it would be "Bang" they are headin right for us, PG County it would be "Bang" police Freeze!!, DC it would be "Bangbangbangbangbangbang" (uzi )Yo fool I was going to Jack that.

[Johnny Punani2]

People on the news are talking of a new religious war in Europe.

Attacks spreading to other countries now. What a FUBAR situation!

Another liberal social failure....

[Destino]

People on the news are talking of a new religious war in Europe.

Attacks spreading to other countries now. What a FUBAR situation!

Another liberal social failure....

If you are talking about too weak a response then I would agree with you. A liberal flaw I notice is that they respond too slowly to violent situations. The idealist notion of the criminal "crying out" for something gets in the way of the more logical "stop them NOW!" response.