Thinking Skins Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I ask this question about turnovers because I am comparing them to forcing the team to go 3 and out as we've done so well this year. Part of the problem we have with creating turnovers is that our defense is so good at getting the other team off the field, that there are many drives where we don't get a chance to let them make those mistakes. We could easily become more lax and give the team more first downs in attempt to make them make mistakes. But would that help our team? By definition, a tunrover is an interception or a fumble recovery. But I think that a sequence of 3 & out's by our defense is better than a turnover. The real loss by not getting turnovers is that we're not getting the good starting field position or the momentium. But if we're forcing them to go 3 & out, then there's not much momentium on the other side either. I'm not going to sit up here at my desk and say that turnovers are not a good thing cause I would love to have some. But to insult the defense as the one of these guys did by calling it a horrible defense since its not getting turnovers is just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 How Important are Turnovers? In one word. VERY. The give aways have to stop and the take-aways must begin. We only have 1 interception so far this year....I think. We have recovered 3 fumbles and have 5 sacks so far. This has to improve. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 A turnover can give you the ball on thier 10/20/30 or an instant td.. As weve given to other teams.. A turnover that they go backwards 19 yds is not really a turnover... just an inconvienance... but it did stop a drive and put us 30yds back.. thats a bad penalty A 3 and out still allows them to punt and make us do an additional 30yds+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 well, ask how KC feels about turnovers. - They won the game because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 In one word.VERY. The give aways have to stop and the take-aways must begin. We only have 1 interception so far this year....I think. We have recovered 3 fumbles and have 5 sacks so far. This has to improve. Blondie What Blondie said........it can not be emphasized strongly enough how important turnovers are....that's why the coaches are obsessing over them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 blakman has a good point on the 3 and outs. Turnovers are important, but hard to come by if the opposing offense is only on the field for three plays at a pop. Although the last two games the opposing offenses have managed some great drives against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 And the Redskins offense is hogging the ball, and the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinzFanatic Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I would say that turnovers are very important. Like Jimster said just ask KC AND Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 A little of both inho. However, to see their importance, look no further the ones the Redskins have given other teams, and their results. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Obvious Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Would be nicer to give Brunell and the offense a shorter field once in a while, get some work in the redzone. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 There is a high correlation between turnovers and wins and losses. Like most stats, this one is deceptive. A conservative offense will have fewer turnovers but also lower production. A conservative defense will have fewer turnovers but will allow fewer big plays. A team that is often trailing on the scoreboard late, will have more turnovers since it has to take greater risks to get back into the game. Many fans and coaches oversimplify. Turnovers are important, but not nearly as important as they seem to believe. It's just one factor of many that will determine whether you win or lose a football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCscorpio Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 They are very important because it can change the momentum of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 :doh: We could be 5-0 if we could keep the turnovers down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I heard that we are one of the worst in terms of starting field position for our offense. Anyone know if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 turnovers are very important. i do think single turnovers are overrated. 1 turnover doesn't hurt many teams unless its returned for a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'm not going to sit up here at my desk and say that turnovers are not a good thing cause I would love to have some. But to insult the defense as the one of these guys did by calling it a horrible defense since its not getting turnovers is just crazy. That is great to go 3 andout but they never put the offense in good field position. We need turnovers so we do not have to drive 80+ yards for all of our scores. We need to be able to work on a short field for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 In one word.VERY. The give aways have to stop and the take-aways must begin. We only have 1 interception so far this year....I think. We have recovered 3 fumbles and have 5 sacks so far. This has to improve. Blondie We only have created 2 turnovers so far this season, not 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBChick Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 There is a high correlation between turnovers and wins and losses. Like most stats, this one is deceptive.A conservative offense will have fewer turnovers but also lower production. A conservative defense will have fewer turnovers but will allow fewer big plays. A team that is often trailing on the scoreboard late, will have more turnovers since it has to take greater risks to get back into the game. Many fans and coaches oversimplify. Turnovers are important, but not nearly as important as they seem to believe. It's just one factor of many that will determine whether you win or lose a football game. No kidding. In the end it just relates to how many points our offense can put up and how many points our D lets the other team score. Turnovers make it easier for teams to score. If our defense was good enough to negate turnovers caused by our offense, or our offense was good enough to almost never turn the ball over, then no turnovers wouldn't not matter a much at all. It's difficult for even a very good offense to put up much more then 21 points a game when they are getting no help in the field position battle from either the defense or special teams. As we see, we can win when the D can hold the offense to under 21 points, but we lose when the D allows anything more, regardless of the turnover ratio. But it was pretty obvious this week that KC took advantage of the turnovers they got to the tune of a possible 20 point advantage in the game (possible redskin TD taken away and turned into a KC FG on the first, possible FG taken away and defensive TD scored on the third). One turnover by our D may have been enough to get us the time needed to tie up the game... a second take away may have just swung the game to our advantage. In Denver, with the way our offense was playing, a single take away may have been enough to get an additional drive for just a FG to win. So yes.. with our D where they are right now, Turnoveers are very important!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Well if the other teams were as bad as creating turnovers as the Redskins are then they wouldn't be very important because the Redskins would be blowing out teams. The fact that the Redskins are turning it over and getting zilch from the otherside is what makes them so important now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 In the last five games of the 2004 season, the Redskins were 3-2. They scored 102 points and gave up 71 in that span. In the five games this year, we have scored 83 and given up 86. There is, however, a strength of schedule difference that can probably account for that dropoff in differential. However, the 2004 offense didn't have short fields either. The difference between this year and the team that finished our final 2004 games is that this one is much better in big plays and moving the football on offense but less productive in the red zone. The 2004 team would have benefitted more from a short field than this year's squad. A better turnover ratio would improve this team, certainly. So would a better running game in the redzone. So would a better passing game in the redzone. So would a better pass rush. So would.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvan1 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i dont think theres ever a "good" turnover, but it just seems like our turnovers come at the most gut-wrenchingly crucial times.... theyve been swinging the games around 180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Oldfan, So would time of possession. Like I said before if the offense quits hogging the ball and give the defense more time on the field like they did last year we would have more turnovers. Is that what we want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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