CommDownMan

https://overthecap.com/player/chase-roullier/5785/ They have Chase R as a 4.5 million hit. So I think that is probably the difference.

To play Seattle next week, we'd need Bears to beat Saints. I think that is as likely as us winning... Then it's 1 GB vs 7 Bears and 3 Seattle vs 4 WFT. If Saints and Seattle win, 1-4 alive and we go to GB.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ This number is different (47 mill...), however it gives the calculation- Cap Space = (Team Salary Cap) - (Active Cap Spending) - (Dead Money) Team Salary Cap = (Base Salary Cap) + (Carryover) +/- (Adjustments) This would make me believe the 40 million listed includes the carryover. edit: Over the Cap is using 1 mill higher cap (176 mill) and has 5 million less in active spending. That 5 mill difference might be Roullier related (but I can't tell).

My favorite part... “....yet.”

I would also agree, but the contract still makes it a tough move.

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/17/how-former-adam-gase-players-have-fared-without-him-jets-dolphins-ryan-tannehill/ Darnold has struggled before Gase, but with development years going to him and the constant talk of the above, I would be more likely to consider him.

So this got long, but hopefully you guys enjoy...I did this exercise keeping Smith and drafting a future guy. Trying to get an idea of what “49 mill” in cap space would get us and how we can answer (what I see) the biggest weaknesses on our team. Cap space currently - $49 mill Biggest question here is Alex Smith return (I don’t see this entirely in our hands). ~15 mill savings if not. However, for the purposes of this exercise, I’m going to say the skins keep him. Landon Collins would be net negative cap space, so I expect a likely return. Moses has a 9.6mill number, with 7.7 savings. He’s playing well enough and has a decent cap that I see him staying. Bostic has a $3 mill hit and currently, I’d see that as the likeliest cut depending on how other things shake out. However, for the moment, I am not going to cut for this exercise. No cap changes, based on cuts. ------------------------------------- Used this to get baseline for salaries and cap hits. Cap Hit Year 1 = CHY1 G - Brandon Scherff – 4yr-$60 mill ($15mill SB, Salary 5, 10, 14, 16) – Cap Hit Year 1 $8.75mill C - Chase R – 4yr $36 mill ($10 mill SB, Salary 4, 6, 8, 10) – Cap Hit Year 1 $6.5 mill S - Anthony Harris/Justin Simmons – Listed above but I’m going to roll with Reaves (the cap hit here would be ~8-9 million and I think bigger need is LB). LB – Jayon Brown – Recently injured He is 25 (fitting right in age wise over guys like Lavonte David) – Prediction is resign with Titans. I’m saying we go a little higher to get him in town. 4yr, 52 mill ($12 mill SB, 6, 9, 12, 13) – CHY1 - $9 mill With this signing we’d keep Bostic at 3 mill or KPL if he’d sign for similar. WR – Juju / Corey Davis – 4 yr / 68 mill ($16 mill SB, 8, 14 , 15, 15) – CHY1 $12 mill (Corey listed above, but we've seen a bit of Juju talk) QB - Kyle Allen - ERFA should be about 750K. With top 51 rules, doesn't change cap much. Additions: Add 36 mill to cap (leaves ~13 million). TBD cause IDK how to guess contracts for all abd what the team would want to do DE – Kerrigan, LB – Kevin Pierre-Louis, CB – Ronald Darby, K - Dustin Hopkins, CB - Fabian Moreau __________________________________________ Draft: We have momentum, so I'm going to do this exercise assuming ~25th pick in the draft. Using trade for Mahomes as a precedent, I think there is a decent shot at doing 2020 1st, 2020 2nd (maybe 3rd) and 2021 1st to get to 8-10 for QB Zach Wilson. Again, I’m going to assume worst case and include 2020 2nd. Besides for whatever reason we have much better success in the 3rd, haha. IDK who takes the trade, but I think this is at least fair. That would leave 3/3/4/5/7/7. Draft picks would be about 6 mill ($7 remaining ). _______________________________________ Offensive line would be unchanged, 3rd round or later tackle not likely to be immediate upgrade (maybe Darrisaw type can be had and give us hope?). LT would be nice, but I don’t see a fit with plan above. Not having 2022 1st rounder would make this tougher to answer next year if we don’t currently have an answer. RB – Gibson / McKissic / Barber and probably at least one draft pick. Draft seems deep and the 4th or 5th could add a nice option. WR – Adding Corey Davis or Juju gives a solid (much needed) 2nd option. I wouldn’t be against a draft pick here, but I think adding the strong FA and working to find a 3rd option with Sims, Harmon, Gandy-Golden is likely best use of resources. QB – Smith, Allen, Wilson would be good mix of experience and potential. Haskins would cost money, unless it was a post June 1st trade. Not sure about that, would be 4 mill hit as a post June first move. TE – Logan Thomas and ??? Probably Marcus Baugh and a draft pick. The only real 2021 change here is Juju/Davis (which would be big) and an RB might give insurance if not more. Lacks excitement from a 2021 change, but if we could add Wilson and Darrisaw, I would think most of us could get behind that for future excitement. _____________________________________ Defense: DL: No change. Allen has a 10 mill cap, so could definitely do a long term deal and stay around that 10 mill number. We’d need to decide of Kerrigan and idk what that contract would look like. I think he’d test the market and see what would be out there. LB: Javon Brown in the middle to add to current group would be a very enjoyable addition. CB: We’d have to see cost for Darby / Moreau, but I’d imagine we’d try and work something out. S: Curl, Reaves have done well. Collins we need to see health and Everett/Apke as backups. I think at least 1 of day 3 picks is in secondary. ____________________________________ With money going to Darby / Kerrigan a few others, I think we’d be close to cap based on this. Would that feel like an improvement for next year or is giving up future 1st and 2020 2nd for QB of future too much? We'd basically be same team with a big upgrade MLB and WR (and not much else at least on paper). 2022 we would be cutting Smith if he was to stay 2021, with the additions above (and I didn’t do all the math here) we’d have ~60 million in cap and in house players to pay. Thoughts?

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/defensive-rookie-year-odds/ Needs updating for this week. Kind of fun looking back on the how and why things shifted.

I forgot too, was totally thinking Ed Reed, but he joined 2002. What a hand off from Woodson to Reed. So were saying we need a Ray Lewis to be better. Doesn’t every team. Haha

So dumb question (although based on some comments in this thread let’s call it a middle school worthy question...) chase had 6 tackles, 1 sack, 1 tfl, 1 forced fumble. does that mean he stopped a ball carrier 9 times or does that mean 6 times and it includes 1 for loss, 1 sack and the ff?

So only 1 sack? Got it.

I call it something else.

Winning isn't our comfort zone, crappy 53 man trainwrecks are norm. Any time we win, I have a hard time trusting that it's real and will last. So I do understand when people are the way they are....haha.

I'm wondering if Jarvis Landry will come available. If so he will be closer to the 15's, but I think 12-14 after this season. Age middle of the group as well and fewer injuries.

Probably the only one that seems clear/respectable at this point. My hope was the off field drama would end with him here. Man I'm an idiot. Ounce of hope.

Not at a good price. I'd give them $200.

I thought the same thing. Just like Penn State scholarships. I get annoyed that student athletes were impacted because fired coaches/staff did wrong.

Hope you're right twice.

Made it 100 pages before its official. Really guys?

This was in line with why i said it. BA is gone, let's get some normal structure. No more players going straight to the boss to get decisions over coaches and GMs. Although I am glad we had Taylor...

I'm ok with haskins wanting him as long as it's not his call

Celek is gone, so is Burton. But they added Goedert at TE, which should do well in that system. He was outside a lot, with Jordan Mathews on the roster. He moved inside to a more natural position, and it clearly made him more comfortable.

I'd rather they start winning a few. As lovely as a terrible season would feel, them having a shot at a great QB prospect to replace Eli is not something I want to see.

It seems playing time is part of the issue and I don't see him having much chance with Norman/Breeland/Fuller. Pass. But I commend you for putting this in the best thread option.