MartinC

After 20 games Peyton Manning had 5 wins and had thrown 34 interceptions. Not quite sure why Cover 6 would be the silver bullet against Daniel’s. Quarter quarter/half versus thirds doesn’t seem to me to be a difference maker against him. I do agree teams will make him prove he can beat them between the numbers.

An interesting way to look at this is how would you feel if the guy you don’t want us to draft fell and was picked by the Giants. Does Daniel’s or Maye being a Giant worry you? It would worry me - which tells what most already know these are two blue chip prospects and we are lucky to be in a position to make a choice.

We need to be patient - period. We have been waiting for ‘the guy’ for about 30 years. Arguably since Sam Baugh retired.

Whichever guy we draft he’s then our guy. I can’t understand people who profess to be Commanders fans who would root for either guy to fail. I think there will be very few of those kinds of people. Where it gets murky is if the guy we draft struggles/plays poorly and/or the team struggles/plays poorly. How long before the folks who were not in his camp start the ‘I told you’ posts. Definitions on what constitutes success and timeline on achieving that success will vary …

Which is the reason it - and about 90% of all social media - was posted. All about engagement …

I recall one 88 yard TD to open the game against some team that one time …

It doesn’t matter who was viewed as the consensus #2 for the last year by mock drafts, media, ex QBs or unnamed scouts. It doesn’t matter who is viewed as the consensus #2 pick in that group now. All that matters who our decision makers view as the #2. And no one outside a very small group in the building knows that.

Which part of ‘stop talking about the name change in this thread’ is confusing people? Drop it. I will start handing out warnings and bans from here on out.

Yeah - let’s leave the name change alone please in this thread. The topic is free agents.

I doubt the Pats fell for it - but yeah, all about trying to create some leverage.

Here apparently. Given he just signed an extension with the Pats.

I think he was in that top 10 category. But I guess that O was more built around Riggins and the O’Line than Joey. It wasn’t often the game was put on his arm.

Joey T had about a 5 year run when he was elite. Went to back to back Super Bowls and was league MVP. Joe Gibbs just got him too late in his career.

Oh for sure. I think its almost a lock whoever we pick at #2 will start day 1. But can imagine this Board after about 5 starts if whoever the pick is struggles ... Got to look at this as a project and trust the process.

They are all projects. You can strike gold and get a guy who is immediately good - but more realistically they are ALL projects. Peyton Manning holds the NFL record for interceptions as a rookie.

It's going way way back but the Cowboys took Troy Aikman 1st overall and THEN turned around and used their next year first round pick to take Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft that same year. Aikman beat Walsh out and the Cowboys ending up flipping Walsh to the Saints for a 1st and 3rd so they lucked out in the end. To your point not the recommended approach - Aikman talks about how the pick of Walsh (who had been Jimmy Jones QB at U of Miami the previous year) really set back the development of the relationship Aikman had with Jones and the Cowboys coaching staff.

I lean towards Maye - but would have no issues if we took Daniels. My comment wasn't specifically about Maye having a higher ceiling (I think he might have - but I am neither qualified to make that judgement nor have spent the hours of time it would take to really come to a conclusion even if I was!) I was more commenting on the implied thought process of factoring in who is least likely to bust in making the pick - I doubt we are thinking 'which guy is teh safe pick here". We shoul dthinking "which guy has the best chance to be an All Pro" while factoring in things that might stand in the way of that being a realistic ceiling.

All of them can outright bust. (I know you know this @Skinsinparadise.) I’d be slightly concerned if we were taking the guy we think has the highest floor at #2 overall. My view is when you are picking a QB this high (or anywhere for that matter) I’d swing for the guy with the highest ceiling unless there were factors that made you really really question if he can get to that ceiling.

“New England are content waiting to see what Washington does at #2” I mean do they have any other option? A trade up to #1 or #2 is not happening. The Bears and its both need a QB and are both uninterested in trading out of those picks. New England have to be content with the QB left from Williams, Maye and Daniel’s after the first two picks. Whoever is left is a really really good consolation prize.

Wins and losses are not a QB stat, they are team stat. But Allen gives the Bills a chance every year - though he's going to have his work cut out this year as it looks like the Bills are having to restructure that roster.

Josh Allen has played in 10 playoff games (that alone suggests he is doing something right). In those games he has thrown for 2,700 yards and change, 21 TDs and 4 INTS. He also has over 500 yards rushing and 5 rushing TDs in those games. That's what Allen has done in the playoffs and it looks pretty good to me. I'd say he is elite. Josh Allen is not what is stopping Buffalo winning a Super Bowl, he is a big part of what is giving them a chance each year.

Not a huge fan of players wearing 0. With Mariota there is always the cheap joke that it might also represent his passer rating ...

We have a LOT of holes on this roster and you can’t fix everything in one offseason. Just be patient and let the draft come to us. We do need to have a plan for LT though on the assumption that answer might not come from the draft. Even if we pick an OT at say 36 no guarantee he is ready to be the starter immediately.

The Rams didn't plan to do it. They drafted Goff #1 overall and then built around him, got to a Super Bowl they lost and decided they would never win one with Goff. So they swapped him out with Stafford. Stafford walked into a roster stacked to win right now with almost a one season window - and delivered. Generally though the idea that you build your roster and then find your QB is flawed. We've been trying that for about 30 years and counting with almost zero success. Finding a franchise QB is really really hard - when you have a top 2 pick in a QB heavy draft with 3 maybe 4 possible franchise guys and you dont already have an established elite QB it would be insane to trade out of the chance to take a swing on one of them.

I kind of agree with this. For me Howell would have been a better (and cheaper) backup option than Mariota. Mariota is not a guy who has exhibited great 'vet leadership' recently either. We dont know what conversations happened with Howell though, he may have asked the team for a fresh start for all we know. Or he coaching staff looked at his film from last year and just decided he wasn't someone they had the time to put into to fix given they also will have a rookie to get ready. The later is the more likely situation and why it probably makes sense to bring in a vet as the backup - he won't need many snaps and teh staff wont spend a lot of time on him.