MartinC

The double, double, double bluff!

A QBs won/loss record in College tells you almost nothing about them as an NFL prospect. The list of QBs who won a National Championship in College and had any kind of even semi successful NFL career is short. The list of QBs who won a National Championship and never even became a decent NFL backup is much longer. This I agree with. What Draft 'experts', ex NFL QBs on Youtube or (heaven forbid) any of us think about draft prospects is irrelevant. What matters is how our scouts and decision makers grade and rank them. Mock drafts are what they tell you they are - 'mock'.

How did Peyton look in Denver? His first 3 season there he looked absolutely awesome - he threw 37, 55 and 39 TD passes. His final year he fell off the cliff - but was carried to a Super Bowl.

He had the misfortune to have Buddy Ryan as his head coach who got the job off being the DC of the 85 Bears. Obviously put together a legendary D - but was clueless as a HC. He had the genius idea of introducing his rookie QB to the NFL by starting Jaworksi but subbing Cunningham in on 3rd and longs - the thinking being he could use his mobility to extend plays and maybe convert some 3rd downs using his legs. Ground breaking stuff 🫣

There are only 3 QBs in NFL history with 1000 yards rushing in a season. Vick, Jackson ... and Fields.

He's a better option at RT than Wylie. Or fresh air at LT. But he should be the swing tackle.

He's only under contract this year. You would need to agree a long term deal with him before making any trade - and he's not worth OUR first.

But the 'most who presumed it was for Trey Lance' were right. We just don't know how our front office rank the QBs. How draft analysts, ex QBs or heaven forbid ES posters rank them is irrelevant. .All that matters is how our decision maker(s) rank them. By far the most likely outcome is we take a QB @ #2 overall. That's almost a lock. Then its very very likely that QB is one of Drake Maye or Jaden Daniels. IMO anything else (including a trade back) is a very low probability to occur.

Justin Fields ie ELITE as a runner. He's up there with Lamar - not quite as fast (though he's a 4.4 guy) but just a really really good feel for when to run and natural with the ball in hand. He had 1100 yards rushing in 2022 on 15 starts.

I missed that. Have they given any indication what it is? I assume passing game will be a hybrid of air raid/spread/WCO concepts - which is basically what every passing offense in the NFL is! I did read something about Kingsbury likely wanting to use more play action (which I fully endorse!) Running game choice will be interesting as well and to our conversations above about OTs the choice on running game scheme will impact what the team are looking for from its offensive lineman.

I think that is likely true, but tbf we dont know what we will be running yet. That said I can't think of any system that could be/will be run in the NFL were the ability to pass protect i space is not a premium skill for an OT.

I may be 100% wrong 🙂 I watched quite a bit of Latham during the season. Massive human being - which limits his ability to move laterally or climb. Hes a complete bulldozer in the run game and good at pass pro as well - he does sometimes seem to get beaten inside. He could well end up being the best of this group- but I see him as being a higher floor lower ceiling guy compared to the other top 3 or 4 OT prospects. He would be plug and play at RT. I wonder if he could move inside. He could be awesome as a guard in a power/gap scheme.

I see Latham as strictly a RT. He can be a solid pro and it’s not that we don’t need a RT as well as LT but I just don’t see him as having a really high ceiling.

He doesn’t need to bulk up for me - he can be a hybrid and a creative OC can have some fun moving him around. He can line up tight (but not inline) and run some H-back type routes or he can motion out and be a big slot or a X type out wide. I agree with @Skinsinparadise his issue is he’s a bit slow off the line and could struggle to separate against NFL DBs. But he’s an intriguing weapon - he could be a massive red zone threat immediately.

He’s one of my sleepers. Not sure he’s a sleeper anymore though. He spent his first two years at ASU were he was hardly used at all in a total mess of an ASU program (he overlapped with Daniel’s when he was ASU). Transferred to FSU and showed strong production and tape - went for 20 yards a catch his junior year! He’s raw with only two years of real experience. Obviously his size stands out - he’s a huge target. He can be a bit slow off the line just because of his length but once he gets into his stride he can run by DBs. But he’s probably at his best in the middle of the field, crossing routes, digs, skinny posts. He boxes DBs out and has a nice feel for space. Might struggle to separate in the NFL out of breaks because of his slow footwork - so again crossers and vertical routes are were he probably lives. I’m not sure where he is going to go, maybe someone we could look at with one of our 3rd round picks? He could develop into a solid good #3 or maybe a hybrid big slot H-back type. He’s a player you could develop a specific package of plays for early, especially in the red zone.

Never mind all that I imagining some posters on here trying to spell his name. He’s called Iggy from here on!

When Pickett and Rudolph were the incumbents the bar on ‘better’ was not high.

The Steelers got a significantly upgraded QB room for a literal bag of used footballs. Wilson can start and Fields gets time to work on his game behind him. Neither guy might turn out to be the answer but it’s costing the Steelers almost nothing in picks OR money to find out.

If that was the best they could get he had way more value as a backup to Williams when they draft him #1.

Is this real? Bears fans should riot.

So are you.

The conventional wisdom seems to be run on QBs and offensive players (OL/WR) early and an offensive heavy first round overall. Some very good defensive players could slide into the top of the 2nd. Issue for us is we need help on the offensive side of the ball in that range. Then again we have needs nearly everywhere.

You are betting on traits and potential with Jones. He’s not shown that translate so far in the NFL. For the right contract though he’s worth investing time in, but it’s a big projection if you bring him in as your presumed starter at LT.

Bakhtiari.

I don’t think this one is very hard at all. He’s not an option.