KDawg

I’m in.

Never argued I wouldn’t take Kirk over Heinicke. My original post basically says as much.

pretty sure that was me. don’t care about Cousins GWD. Don’t trust him in big moments of big games. It’s not a narrative. It’s how I feel We’d win more games with Kirk, absolutely. But big ones when the lights are shining? Not sure.

Athletic quarterbacks who check the prototype boxes generally rise fairly quickly. Don’t be surprised to see Richardson shoot up the boards.

Ya, they could be. If we’re more of a passing offense the defense is on the field more. Catch-22.

The big thing Heinicke brings that some of the “league best” don’t: clutch and nerves of steel. Cousins is a better QB is every single measure. Physical, statistical, size… name it and its advantage Cousins. Most of us think Cousins would make us a better team I’d bet. But I’d take Taylor Heinicke in a close game in the fourth quarter in prime time almost 100% of the time.

He's also more battle tested. SEC > Liberty's schedule

Given this post, your signature is quite ironic.

On another note: The hand wringing about officiating is exhausting. I get it in the heat of the moment. As a coach I have had my fair share of asking referees what they are looking at on the field. So I get it. Then again I have literally seen rules change from game to game at the HS level (OL can/can't lace on XP). But the officiating has helped and hurt us. Refs are going to miss calls and make bad calls. They missed a few yesterday for both sides. They made bad calls a few times yesterday for both sides. At the end of the day, our team has to execute and not worry about officiating. We as fans can hand wring, and I'm not even saying we/fans are wrong about the bad calls in all circumstances, but at the end of the day if your team plays well enough the calls just simply don't matter. Sometimes I catch myself typing something about a call and I realize I look like a schmuck when I do it. So I wait for a replay, watch it again and then realize why the ref made the call they made for the most part. If I sit on it a minute and think about it and I still have questions I say it. But very rarely does that occur. I don't know. It's a forum, people can post how they want. But I think taking a step back is important for the health of the forum sometimes. Having said that, I think the majority of the posting in this thread about the calls has been intelligently done. A few off-hand bits of silliness, but for the most part it's been conversation which has been solid.

I cry at night.

Do you see Leno in contact and with arm extension? Textbook holding call.

Looks like it. And I've been coaching for a long time, whether it was a hold or not, when Leno's hands were on the body after he let his feet stop moving and the defender separated that is getting called 9/10 times regardless of the actual hold status. Refs can't see it clearly and we can't see it clearly on replay. But you can see extension and bodies tangled. That's getting flagged on the regular. This should have been called a hold.

Are these two being posted together coincidence? The Leno play was a very clear hold.

I don't think the plan itself was at fault from watching. It looks like it was the execution and assignment discipline. That aligns with Del Rio going out of his way to make those comments about Young playing his part. It seems like this is a battle Del Rio continues to fight.

Nope. I just can't add.

Ah, ya. He was an intriguing prospect. His issue was that injury didn't sound good. Looks like he recovered nicely.

Every post tends to start with the quarterback. Heinicke was on the field. Made a few nice evasions and completions off of them where Dotson and McLaurin made fantastic plays. He also looked limited. That's all about him. Brian Robinson added another 96 on the ground today. And a lot of those were tough yards. Gibson didn't have the same kind of overall production but he ran hard on his carries and it seems like the two of them are competing in a game of who can run harder on a % of carries basis. This is the most fun unit to watch. Not that McLaurin/Dotson/Samuel isn't fun, too. But I love smashmouth football and these guys are running like beasts. Our offensive line went from awful to meh in the last few weeks with Larsen and Cosmi back. Then they both went down again in this one and its back to awful. Need to get healthy quick up front of this playoff push is in jeopardy. Big time. Dotson and McLaurin had two of the best individual efforts from receivers on this team that I have seen in a very, very long time on their two touchdowns. Samuel looked explosive as a running back (our long rush of the day at 21 was his) and he added six receptions in key moments. Our tight ends like to hold. Hopefully that was a yesterday issue and it takes care of itself. Defensively: Our defensive tackles are the best duo in the league. You can't convince me otherwise. And I am not generally someone that touts our players in that way, but it's true. Allen had one of the cleanest bull rush to outside hip of the back plays I've ever seen to stuff Barkley for -5 in a key moment. He also helped contribute to the forced fumble (I know he's credited for it, but Jamin's body placement was a big factor as well). Payne continues to look like a better pass rusher than our DEs. Toohill is a pretty good defensive end as a whole. He lacks some pass rush explosiveness. But he is okay there and he is good against the run. What he does best though is play disciplined responsibility football. Last week he helped secure the Montez Sweat sack where Montez got to QB depth and came back inside. The QB tried to escape left, but Toohill kept contain and he had no where to go but down. This week he came off the edge and played perfect contain on a big play against the Giants. I know people will take this the wrong way, but I'm going to say it anyways: I don't think Montez Sweat should be a Commander next year. He is explosive, athletic and capable of a big play at any moment. He has improved against the run and in responsibility football. So why am I saying he shouldn't be a Commander? Because he isn't a good enough overall defensive end to justify the % of the cap he's going to demand in a signing. Professional football is about asset management. He is a good asset. He has a lot of playmaker tools. He is a value to many teams. But on this team, with so many first rounders and now it seems adequate depth we need to move assets who aren't paramount to success in order to add fresh assets to the team. I don't think we can afford to pay Sweat cap % wise, and that means we have to deal him to get something of value in return for an explosive player instead of letting him leave for nothing. Jamin Davis continues to grow as a linebacker. He is excellent sideline to sideline. We still need a guy to pair with him if we want our run defense to take the next forward step in the evolution. Kam Curl made one of the best defensive plays of the day. It won't be talked about, but our players (and this is an issue in all levels of football, youth, MS, HS, D3, D2, D1, NFL, Semi Pro, you name it) tend to overpursue when runs go to the sideline. Guys abandon discipline and go for the tackle in the earlier moment, and often times that leads to an opening for the runner to hit and gain extra yards. Curl made a play where the Giant runner was running to the perimeter. Barkley was working to the perimeter but Curl was the force defender. Force defenders have one job: Force the play back inside. The temptation though, is when the back is that close to you you sell out to make the tackle. It's not necessarily for selfish reasons, it's guys thinking that a tackle there is best for the team rather than allowing another yard. But the problem is that when you do that it winds up being a half measure tackle due to positioning and leads to the back breaking it and getting a ton of yards. Kam Curl knew he was going up against Barkley. He didn't tempt fate. He closed the distance between he and Barkley but stayed tight to the outside hip of Barkley while cutting off Barkley's lane to get further outside. That resulted in Barkley needing to cut back in. The rest of the defense rallied there to make the tackle a yard or two further up field. Had Curl went for the tackle, Barkley likely gains another 10-15 yards easily on that play. St-Juste being out continues to hurt us a bit. But I know Holmes let up that big Slayton catch but being honest, a seventh round rookie corner being thrust into that situation did a fairly nice job there. Was tight in coverage, in phase just didn't get the hands where they needed to be and Slayton made a play. Hard to get too upset with Holmes here. He is looking like a solid prospect. I'm still not happy about the decision to pass on first down when the Giants punted in OT inside our own ten. A first down there essentially takes the clock down. Instead we pass with no one blocking Thibodeaux off the edge. Heinicke did a good job to hold onto that ball because that had sack, fumble, touchdown written all over it. Still, the result was a big loss putting us behind the chains and essentially making attaining a first down near impossible in that situation without throwing, and that continues to stop the clock. So instead of us milking the clock in that scenario we wound up giving the Giants the chance to win the game on a walk off field goal. I think Turner has done an overall decent job, but Rivera and Turner need to take a look at that this week and discuss the situation. We likely aren't winning the game, though there's a chance a run could break and put us in a situation where a field goal attempt can be had to win. But we had the tie assured. It was the best realistically attainable outcome. But that pass almost gave us a loss that shouldn't have even been an option on the table. Terry McLaurin watch: Heading into today he was 12th all time in Washington Football Redskin Commander Team History with 3,930 yards. Today he added 105 yards bringing him to 4,035. #11 is Michael Westbrook with 4,280. On this season McLaurin has 62 receptions for 945 yards. Sweat/Allen/Payne career sack placing: For career sacks, all three guys are in the top 20 in Washington history. Jon Allen leads the way at #9 with 33.5. He needs 1 to pass Andre Carter and 2.5 to pass the great Dave Butz for #7 all-time. Sweat is second. He passed Darryl Grant for #11 all time. He is 1.5 away from passing Bruce Smith for #10 in franchise history. Da'Ron Payne is tied for 16th with Marco Coleman and Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson at 23. He needs 2 to move to #13. Studs and Duds: *** - Brian Robinson *** - Jahan Dotson *** - Terry McLaurin *** - Daron Payne *** - Jon Allen ** - Kam Curl ** - Curtis Samuel * - Jamin Davis - Scott Turner/Ron Rivera - Jon Bostic Season to date: * x 19 - Daron Payne * x 16 - Terry McLaurin * x 15 - Jon Allen * x 9 - Curtis Samuel * x 8 - Brian Robinson * x 8 - Jahan Dotson * x 7 - Darrick Forrest * x 7 - Montez Sweat * x 7 - Antonio Gibson * x 7 - Jamin Davis * x 6 - Benjamin St-Juste * x 5 - Kendall Fuller * x 3- Dyami Brown * x 3 - Back Judge in Vikings Game * x 3 - Jack Del Rio * x 2 - Joey Slye * x 2 - Kam Curl * x 1 - Scott Turner * x 1 - Rachad Wildgoose * x 1 - James Smith-Williams * x 1 - Jonathan Williams * x 1 - John Bates x 1 - Wes Schweitzer x 1 - Jon Bostic x 1 - Scott Turner x 3 - Cam Sims x 4 - John Ridgeway x 4 -Rivera's Clock Management x 5 - Charles Leno x 5 - Trai Turner x 6 - Nick Martin x 6 - WJ3 x 7 - Sam Cosmi x 8 - Andrew Norwell

“He seems to be better than Wentz and Howell”. No way to know that based on the current situation. There is a very real possibility Howell stinks. There is also the possibility that Rivera won’t play him this year regardless of his preparedness or Heinicke’s performance save for an injury. My point is none of us can say anything definitive about Howell at the moment. And you can’t read into the coaching decisions.

Who now?

Not sure you can make the statement about Howell.

I don’t generally look at guys who get a job due to injuries as the starter, regardless of what the HC says out loud. I don’t consider Brock Purdy as the Niners QB, for instance. But this is a really dumb conversation to have. It’s semantics.

Different prospects. Actually, entirely different.

Our best hope is they are are playing possum with Howell and he is a likely candidate to be the starter next year. I know many will cite the whole “5th rounders rarely ever hit” rhetoric. But it’s a genuine possibility he can be a good starter. But outside of that we will either need to trade up, pony up too many assets or roll with what we got. What’s interesting? He was the backup to start the year and Rivera named the guy who was the QB while the team won games as the current starter (while Wentz has still been inactive). also not sure why you quoted me to make that point about Wentz. Again, I’ll reiterate… I’d pretend like he doesn’t exist because come next year he has to be gone. So may as well pretend like it’s already the case.

Matt Patricia is worse than Turner. It’s not particularly close. So yes, based on the way he’s played. But their OC situation is… not good.

But Heinicke IS the backup QB.