herrmag Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by bird_1972 Lets go DE with this one, Herrmag, shall we? No, we shall not!!!:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by bird_1972 I love how everyone cites this as a reason NOT to draft a DE. Look, at best, the reason for this was that we had 2 great corners - one of whom is now gone. At worst, we dodged a bullet and now with one season's worth of film, Williams' surprise blitz packages will surprise no one and our lack of edge rush will become a liability. I disagree. How can you plan for blitzes that can come from any position at any time? Not to mention, I believe it was posted in another thread that Williams will be incorporating a 3-4 at times as a change of pace so to speak. As far as Smoot being gone, I agree he' s a loss, but not one that can't be overcome. It's not like losing your best Cornerback, only your second best . I know you said we should trade down. IF we traded down, I could agree with you. However, when you have a high draft pick like this, I am of the philosophy that you take the best *athlete* available, regardless of position. If Williams slips to 9, he will definitely be the best athlete. As far as our defense goes, I think it will be stud. Our defense is more a product of system than individual talent. It's not like teams couldn't game plan for Williams defense last year. He's been in the league for quite a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 I believe that if we trade down perhaps even twice in the first round, we can pick up a DE with the first, a CB with the second and a G or blocking TE with the third..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by herrmag I know you said we should trade down. IF we traded down, I could agree with you. However, when you have a high draft pick like this, I am of the philosophy that you take the best *athlete* available, regardless of position. If Williams slips to 9, he will definitely be the best athlete. As far as our defense goes, I think it will be stud. Our defense is more a product of system than individual talent. It's not like teams couldn't game plan for Williams defense last year. He's been in the league for quite a few years. Well then, Sounds like me agree 'cause I DO want us to trade down. Herrmag, it's all about building on your strengths and building through the draft. To be candid, I wouldn't be against the idea of drafting a lower rated WR if we did trade down and then take a DL off the board with whatever 2nd rounder we had left. There is no way I can advocate drafting a WR at #9 - to me that is a luxury pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by bird_1972 I love how everyone cites this as a reason NOT to draft a DE. Look, at best, the reason for this was that we had 2 great corners - one of whom is now gone. At worst, we dodged a bullet and now with one season's worth of film, Williams' surprise blitz packages will surprise no one and our lack of edge rush will become a liability. I agree that CB is less of a need today with the new rules - that is where you and I see eye to eye. I just think that generating a pass rush from the DL is something that would make our D complete. With all of the WR we have now - I think the additions that are needed to the O aren't at wideout and instead are depth on the Oline and blocking TEs. Besides, I'm not sure we have enough money to throw at a WR drafted at the #9 position anyways. Lets go DE with this one, Herrmag, shall we? I agree that a rush end would be a great addition. Where I disagree is with it being of utmost importance. Williams schemes well with what he has, if he has lemons he makes lemonade. As for having film of us that is not how it works. All teams had plenty of film on us last year. All they had to do was look at old Tennessee tapes and Bills tapes from previous Williams coached teams. Schemes change to meet the team you are playing and great coordinators scheme in the 6 days of game prep. I think that our Defense will be much more to recon with even if we stay as is at DE. We get back Arrington, Bowen and Lott. Now their backups Clark, Marshall, and other fill ins have game experience. We lost Smoot and Pierce, they will be missed but not for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by pez #1 we need a cornerback, not a WR #2 Williams will be gone by the time we make our selection Take that to the bank :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Defensive anything is not a need. There is only one need this off season. Thats OFFENSE. Anything that can help us offensively is what we need to draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 There won't be anything Offensive that we will need when it comes time for us to pick. Gibbs stated he wanted to take the best player available when picking in the draft and not drafting out of need. Did we forget that all ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 We will all be in for a rude awakening come draft day. We will trade down and bolster this teams needs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Living in Florida, I heard two Buc beat writers on the local sports radio stations today. They felt that the Bucs would take Williams at #5 and a running back in round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by Bufford if we really wanted Mike Williams. Wouldn't we make sure that Rod ended up in Tampa? They just resigned Galloway...... they would have other needs....like a RB in the 1st round. plus they drafted clayton 15th overall last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Isn't Charlie Garner still good for another year or two? He performed well in Gruden's west coast offense in Oakland. So I don't know if you need a really good RB in that O to be successful. That's why the Mike Williams pick seems to make sense for the Bucs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS36 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by herrmag I disagree. How can you plan for blitzes that can come from any position at any time? Not to mention, I believe it was posted in another thread that Williams will be incorporating a 3-4 at times as a change of pace so to speak. where's the post stating GW will mix in the 3-4? and what are the sources? i'm asking b/c i'm genuinely curious about this. is it just rumor or something officially said by the team? if they are going to rotate a 3-4 scheme, that brings in another issue. sure lemar marshal and barrow can play MLB but, barrow's health is really questionable, so if he goes down, there goes the 3-4. or do they have faith in clifton smith's abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 And if we draft him, he'll be taking us to the bank too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingtiger1013 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by God Help Me, I'm in Texas And if we draft him, he'll be taking us to the bank too That's what I was thinking, Tex. (I'm going to call you Tex) Since we have very little money, how can we afford the 9th pick? Seems like we are forced to trade down. I'm not a capologist, I just play one on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by FS36 where's the post stating GW will mix in the 3-4? and what are the sources? i'm asking b/c i'm genuinely curious about this. is it just rumor or something officially said by the team? if they are going to rotate a 3-4 scheme, that brings in another issue. sure lemar marshal and barrow can play MLB but, barrow's health is really questionable, so if he goes down, there goes the 3-4. or do they have faith in clifton smith's abilities? I believe it was an article posted, but I'll do a search for it. If anyone recollects the specific thread, please post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 The mention of mixing in a 3-4 came in the following thread: http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95058 It wasn't an article, so this may not be fact. However, the majority of people seemed to find this guy credible, so take it for what it's worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by Matador36 but is he a core redskin type? Sure, I think he'd stay here until his contract is up and then demand top dollar to stick around once becoming a FA. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 That's what I was thinking, Tex. (I'm going to call you Tex) that's cool, it'd be kind of depressing, i think, to write over and over "god help me" that is, unless you're really pissed. Then, you could begin with "God Help Me, I think your wrong". That would work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 We are not drafting him. We are reportedly going to give Santana a huge contract that he can "take to the bank" so it would be foolish to spend all that money on another receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by Hooper We are not drafting him. We are reportedly going to give Santana a huge contract that he can "take to the bank" so it would be foolish to spend all that money on another receiver. You sure about this, bro, or is this the darkside in you coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevzy88va Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT WILLIAMS IS STUPID. SSCERW YOU ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Yes, because rookie receivers almost never miss. Especially slow ones who have been out of football for a year. And it's so smart to pay Santana Moss like a number one receiver just to draft Williams and pay him even more more. That's how you manage the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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