pr11fan Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Gotta go with line play in this draft, lots of good d-lineman and if Dockery has a bad year. E. Brown would be awesome running the counter in this offense with how good he is at blocking in the open field. I would say at least hold off on mlb till 2006, then I trade the farm if necessary to move up for Ahmad Brooks. (Yes, I am a UVA homer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by johnyquest Ton of D Line talent in the first round this year.. love it Which is exactly why we waited to fix the D Line and took Sean Taylor. Great move. Last year there was no D Line. Once again the BC dude is a ridiculous pass rusher, he's got a lot of talent, a lot! And the DT from Wisconsin is the size of a bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by otdoggpound DAVID POLLACK!!!!! I hear that. I used to hate the guy, but now I have come to like him a little, as much as it is possible to like a guy that goes to Georgia. But he's really talented, and works hard and hustles. Gotta like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Redskin Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by KINGBRICE_28 dallas get 2 pics Ohh yeah! I had forgotten about that all together, I'm gonna have to start routing far the bills more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by Skins26 Which is exactly why we waited to fix the D Line and took Sean Taylor. Great move. Last year there was no D Line. Wilfork Harris Smith Udeze Tubbs Babin All in the first round. Yeah, no talent. Im not going to start this old debate but you look at where our weakness is now and what we should have taken and Sean Taylor’s name SHOULD NOT come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by Oldskool Wilfork Harris Smith Udeze Tubbs Babin All in the first round. Yeah, no talent. Im not going to start this old debate but you look at where our weakness is now and what we should have taken and Sean Taylor’s name SHOULD NOT come up. The first of those guys wasn't taken till 14, and the next wasn't till what, 19 or 20. In 2003 there was 8 taken in the first 15 picks, does that not speak to how weak that crop in 04 actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by pr11fan The first of those guys wasn't taken till 14, and the next wasn't till what, 19 or 20. In 2003 there was 8 taken in the first 15 picks, does that not speak to how weak that crop in 04 actually was. Or the more possible case is that teams had other needs than D line as well as there were “once in a lifetime” players such as KW2, Manning, Taylor, etc that GM/coaches went for the star over the needed player. In 2003 the only marquee name was Palmer. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Sorry, I'll have to disagree, even taking into acount the marqee players in this draft that were gone by the 7th pick, that leaves picks 8-13 that went with players other than d-lineman. gotta go to a job interview, later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by pr11fan Sorry, I'll have to disagree, even taking into acount the marqee players in this draft that were gone by the 7th pick, that leaves picks 8-13 that went with players other than d-lineman. gotta go to a job interview, later Again, comprehension is key. I also said that there is a good chance that D line was not on the 1st round need to draft list of many GM’s. Take Jax for example. As desperately as they needed a DE, the needed a WR worse so they took Williams instead of Smith or Udeze. Good luck on your interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Were going to get the 25th pick? we'll do with what we get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 The Chargers get the Giants 24th pick? Hmmmm, that spells playoffs for the Giants. We shall see. I'm still not completely convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X-Factor Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Marcus Spears has played pretty good so far. Pollack is very talented, but I don't know how good of an NFL lineman he will be. However gets Braylon Edwards is going to get on hell of a receiver. All he does is scores TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by Oldskool Wilfork Harris Smith Udeze Tubbs Babin All in the first round. Yeah, no talent. Im not going to start this old debate but you look at where our weakness is now and what we should have taken and Sean Taylor’s name SHOULD NOT come up. Oh I see this is coming up again. Sean Taylor was the right pick. End of story. #1 against the run We've been getting good pressure with our blitzing schemes As I told you prior to the draft, DE isnt that big of a deal in this system because we are going to blitz to get pressure. Our defense is ranked what like 4th???? True it would be nice to get more pressure with our front 4, but its not hurting us too much with the way we're playing right now. As I said the scheme will solve the pressure on the QB. Which it is doing. We had many weaknesses, D Line being the biggest but Safety was also on the list, and when a guy as good Taylor comes up and you can use that position you dont pass it up, which we didnt. The D Line problem will be fixed next year. None of those guys taken last year would have helped this defense much. Sean Taylor is going to be a superstar in this league. And it would be wrong to have passed him up for an average talent guy like Will Smith or something. Especially when DE is not as an important spot on our defense as the safety is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 I'll bet that Ron Warner is playing better than any of those 1st round DE's. What a pleasent surprise he has been. I've always thought that you dont need to go into the first round for D Line unless there is someone that really stands out like a Jevon Kearse or something. I think you can find pretty good DE's and DT's out there. Ron Warner has done a hell of a job in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Wow, way to beat an old horse... As for next season... If we're high enough I'd say Hawthorne or Pollack would be perfect, but I'm still holding out for the 32nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 We should draft a saftey with the #1 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by The Killer Bandersnatch We should draft a saftey with the #1 pick Nah, move Lavar to strong safety and trade up for Derrick Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by The Killer Bandersnatch We should draft a saftey with the #1 pick No. Draft a RB. Or a QB. How about a TE? Forget what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by Skins26 Oh I see this is coming up again. Sean Taylor was the right pick. End of story. #1 against the run what the hell does that have to do with a pass rushing DE? We've been getting good pressure with our blitzing schemes As I told you prior to the draft, DE isnt that big of a deal in this system because we are going to blitz to get pressure. Our defense is ranked what like 4th???? Hey look at the powerhouse teams we've played and lost to. Stats are deciving. With Arrington and Daniels out, we have an awful pass rush True it would be nice to get more pressure with our front 4, but its not hurting us too much with the way we're playing right now. As I said the scheme will solve the pressure on the QB. Which it is doing. We had many weaknesses, D Line being the biggest but Safety was also on the list, and when a guy as good Taylor comes up and you can use that position you dont pass it up, which we didnt. The D Line problem will be fixed next year. None of those guys taken last year would have helped this defense much. Sean Taylor is going to be a superstar in this league. And it would be wrong to have passed him up for an average talent guy like Will Smith or something. Especially when DE is not as an important spot on our defense as the safety is. Look at Taylor's numbers so far and then look at Smith and Udeze's numbers. Taylor has made ZERO impact this year. True he may be a superstar but by the time that happens Gibbs may be retired again. Im not starting this debate again. Taylor is our pick, no matter how foolish it looks now without a healthy, true DE or a pass rush right now. Enjoy Taylor. Lets see if another shiny trinket distracts us during next years draft while we forget what our #1 weakness is and what wins championships... D line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Oldskool, :laugh: Man, I am coming in late here but seriously get over the dline thing. I agree that defense wins championships and I see your point about drafting dline, but it doesn't hold any weight considering we are #1 against the run and #4 overall, do you see that? I think you may get your wish soon though. Our current guys are more or less fixer uppers or replacements so to speak. We will look back on this season and graciously call these guys a "make shift" dline:laugh: but you have to be happy that we're doing so well all things considered.... Hey, BTW, here is a guy that is working slightly under the radar at least as far as draft gurus are concerned. I've been watching him for a few years and he has done noting but improve. He is a little small, but I am telling you this guy has Redskin written all over him. I am too tired to look up which draft picks we have for next year, I would guess a 1st. 3rd and 5th :laugh: but this guy may be later round material, possibly 3rd, but wouldn't see him falling all the way to the 5th. http://www.herdzone.com/sports/football/bio.asp?PLAYER_ID=1285 If you watch college ball at all, make a point to check him out. You won't be disappointed. *edit: Bro, you don't really consider Taylor just a distraction, do you? I think he will work out well for us. He may have not addressed an immediate need, but come on man, you can't deny that he has tremendous potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 I dont buy this: If Pollack or Spears are there when the Skins pick, he's wearing B&G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by illone Oldskool, :laugh: Man, I am coming in late here but seriously get over the dline thing. I agree that defense wins championships and I see your point about drafting dline, but it doesn't hold any weight considering we are #1 against the run and #4 overall, do you see that? I think you may get your wish soon though. Our current guys are more or less fixer uppers or replacements so to speak. We will look back on this season and graciously call these guys a "make shift" dline:laugh: but you have to be happy that we're doing so well all things considered.... Hey, BTW, here is a guy that is working slightly under the radar at least as far as draft gurus are concerned. I've been watching him for a few years and he has done noting but improve. He is a little small, but I am telling you this guy has Redskin written all over him. I am too tired to look up which draft picks we have for next year, I would guess a 1st. 3rd and 5th :laugh: but this guy may be later round material, possibly 3rd, but wouldn't see him falling all the way to the 5th. http://www.herdzone.com/sports/football/bio.asp?PLAYER_ID=1285 If you watch college ball at all, make a point to check him out. You won't be disappointed. *edit: Bro, you don't really consider Taylor just a distraction, do you? I think he will work out well for us. He may have not addressed an immediate need, but come on man, you can't deny that he has tremendous potential. I know the status but no one outside of Indy, Philly, NE and a few other teams are playing even decent offense. None of the teams we have played are powerhouses so the stats are deceiving. Taylors got huge potential but I dont think that he will realize it anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halter91 Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! O LINE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 "1 Chicago - Mike Williams WR Southern California 2 San Francisco - *Matt Leinart QB Southern California 3 Miami - Braylon Edwards WR Michigan 4 Dallas (from Buffalo) - Antrel Rolle CB Miami 5 Cincinnati - *Rodrique Wright DT Texas 6 Arizona - Carnell Williams RB Auburn 7 Cleveland - Marlin Jackson CB Michigan 8 San Diego - Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma 9 Tampa Bay - Ronnie Brown RB Auburn 10 Detroit - *Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College 11 Washington - Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin 12 Houston - Marcus Spears DT LSU 13 Oakland - Derrick Johnson LB Texas 14 Green Bay - David Pollack DE Georgia 15 New Orleans - *Thomas Davis FS Georgia 16 Tennessee - Charlie Frye QB Akron 17 Carolina - Donte Nicholson SS Oklahoma 18 Kansas City - Aaron Rodgers QB California 19 Pittsburgh - Alex Barron OT Florida State 20 Baltimore - Corey Webster CB LSU 21 St. Louis - *Justin Miller CB Clemson 22 Jacksonville - *Andrew Whitworth OT LSU 23 Dallas - Orrien Harris DT Miami 24 San Diego (from NY Giants) - Michael Boley LB Southern Mississppi 25 Minnesota - Shaun Cody DT Southern California 26 Atlanta - Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma 27 Denver - *Heath Miller TE Virginia 28 New York Jets - Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State 29 Seattle - *Odell Thurman LB Georgia 30 Indianapolis - Cedric Benson RB Texas 31 New England - Elton Brown OG Virginia 32 Philadelphia - Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee" These guys are on crack! Jets picking 28th? Atlanta 26th? Giants 24th? Good comedy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Spears will not go rd 1 you heard it here 1st he is overrated and very inconsistent from week 2 week. I know we don't really need it but Heath Miller would look great at Te with Cooley at H-Back. We'd have 2 young studs to work the middle for the next 10 years and would open this offense up bigtime. We could let Gardner go in FA and spend the money ON A D-LINEMAN AND TO RESIGN sMOOT. I know we'll sign atleast 1 good Fa next offseason and thier are some good 1's available Hovan and Abraham,Ellis etc. Honestly the only can't miss d-lineman in my opionion is Hawthorne and he'll go top 10. If we go d-lineman I'd take Pollack who will be a Grant Wistrom type of 6-8 sack hustle guy who should fit great with our coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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