RedskinsFanInTX Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Next season the Redskins will start tackles Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen and guard Randy Thomas, and Derrick Dockery appears likely to stay at the left guard spot. And it's very possible Larry Moore could stay or Lennie Friedman could be re-signed at center. Add a couple tight ends and a blocking back and they could be great in the scheme they will be running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I think that our O line is going to be a force. I like the size and we have a nasty streak on the line. Also Jansen (who thinks he's a leader) is trying to be a team leader, and is outspoken. I like a guy that demands excellence from his team mates, even if he's far from perfect, as long as he's giving his best effort.. We need people like him. As for the blocking TE's, why isn't anybody talking about Kleinssuasser from the Vikings. He blocks like his life depends on it. And his hands are so good the Viking had to move him from FB to TE. And he's a FA this year that wont cost us an arm and a leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I don't really like any of those choices. I think Gibbs and Bugel will let these guys run block a little more, they'll put in better protection packages, and it'll look like these guys went from the outhouse to the penthouse in 2004 or 2005. But you do have a huge need at TE and RB, so I picked that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_33 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I think with the exception of a good Center,they could be better than the Chiefs O-line... I think we need a Bostic....I mean Center and we will be rolling!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The only O line position that worries me is Center. It's not a major concern but still our weakest link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 This year we find out who is the real deal and makes Buges cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The blocking schemes will definately be better, but the players confidence in the coaching staff will be why we will have one of the top 5 O-lines in 2004! The pieces are in place for this team to be succesful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 It may take half a season before they come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Oddly enough, the left side of our line will be the real overpowering strength on running plays, as opposed to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I think the fact that four of them (Samuels, Thomas, Dockery, and Jansen) have played together for a year and will stay together is key. Maybe the Skins will need to make a change at center -- which is a big change -- but otherwise you've got a good young line that shouldn't have to make huge changes to play for Bugel. They'll be helped by a style of play that is more suited to their strengths (except the pulling guards -- we'll see about that). And they'll be helped by Gibbs keeping a TE or RB in to block. You gotta be excited about the OL next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Good point Riggo... I had also heard mention of how Samuels and Dockery will be perfect for the counter-tre. They are quicker linemen, and Dockery is a friggin' house. With the strength of Thomas/Jansen, and pulling Samuels/Dockery, that's already a nasty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Oh...BTW... Fiore for center? I know he hasn't been too keen on it in the past, but under Gibbs/Bugel, he may be itching to be a part of an OL that is destined for greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Isn't Fiore's injury career threatening? The redskins line was always @ a disadvantage last year with injuries, and a lackluster offense that was running on running downs and passing on passing downs. The opp defenses were NEVER fooled and could blitz @ will. Add in a bad blocking scheme and TE's and RB's who stink @ picking up a blitz....recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by freakofthenorth Fiore for center? I think Fiore is virtually certain to be cut. His knees are too unreliable, and I think Gibbs and Bugel will say, whatever his upside, we'd rather have a guy we can depend on. I don't think Fiore even makes it to training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The improvement of the OL is one thing I'm looking forward to this season. Another thing I'm looking forward to is combing through all the "Samuels sucks!" and "Jansen sucks!" posts from 2003, and posting a list of offenders. Hey Code: guess who's first on that list? :laugh: :asta: Dead Men Walking: you may begin your offseason spin moves to reposition yourselves as big Samuels and Jansen boosters all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essex03 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I agree with whomever brought up TE Kleinsasser from the Vikes. He is on a short list of mine for FA TE's. I think it would be a great pickup. Our line will be just fine. The blocking schemes Spurrier ran last year were horrendous for the NFL relying too much on TEs and FBs to block... not gonna happen with Gibbs and Bugel. Our O Line will be fine this year. Moore or Friedman will be our center, the other guys are already in place. Dockery will remind us of Grimm, only bigger... you'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by michael_33 I think with the exception of a good Center,they could be better than the Chiefs O-line... I think we need a Bostic....I mean Center and we will be rolling!! Damien Woody of the Pats is an UFA this off-season. Replace Larry Moore with him, our o-line WOULD be better then the Cheifs either this year or the next at the latest! -------------------------------------------- 0-16, 16-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Forget Winslow! We need a safety! Kleinsasser is a beast blocker with pretty good hands. How could we not go after him, its not like he'll cost an arm and a leg to get him either. He's a UFA. ----------------------------------------- 0-16, 16-0, skins fan till i die!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 ASF, in their defense, you have to agree that both of them did suck at times. Maybe it was the schemes, maybe it was frustration, but we saw a lot of blown assignments, false starts, and downright beatings by those two guys early in the season. Maybe "Samuels Sucks!" would deserve rebuke, but those two guys did deserve some criticism this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I think we've got part of the puzzle in place, all we need is a good TE a solid RB and were in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The O line has the pieces except at Center and I've been on the sign Kleinssuasser bandwagon for a while then we can draft S Taylor or get really greedy though I'd be upset move down a couple of spots and grab Winslow 2. Then you could have a Coles, Gardner/DMac, Kleinssuasser or at worst you could also include winslow good receivers and nice blockers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by Even Madder ASF, in their defense, you have to agree that both of them did suck at times. Ah-ha! Even Madder pencils in his name as first of the 2004 ExtremeSkins spinmeisters. :laugh: My answer to you is: how would you perform if you had Helton coaching your, ah, "physical technique"? :puke: Here's your penance: visualize Helton next time you're "on assignment," and report back on your results. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan The improvement of the OL is one thing I'm looking forward to this season. Another thing I'm looking forward to is combing through all the "Samuels sucks!" and "Jansen sucks!" posts from 2003, and posting a list of offenders. Hey Code: guess who's first on that list? :laugh: :asta: Dead Men Walking: you may begin your offseason spin moves to reposition yourselves as big Samuels and Jansen boosters all along. I'm with you all the way on this ASF. Our so called bums will be probowlers with Bugel and Gibbs coaching them. They did suck at times Even Madder, but imagine the frustration they went through of playing under such horrible coaching in a terrible scheme. I think Friedman is a solid, smart player and will be next years' starter. The oline play picked up when he was in there. I also remember something about the false starts being partly do to Moore's playing style, but I don't remember the details. I wouldn't be surprised though if we draft a center to eventually replace Friedman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I don't think the Redskins line is that far away from returning to a place of prominence. The talent in Jansen, Samuels and Thomas is there and I think Dockery is going to return to man the other OG spot. Jansen and Dockery are run blockers first and foremost. They excel at getting guys in the run game and then using that to their advantage as they wear down. The Skins under Spurrier never allowed the strengths of these players to be used to maximum effect. Samuels and Thomas are more athletic and can be successful in any number of offensive systems. I don't have too much of a concern about their adapting to what Gibbs will introduce. Where the Skins need an upgrade is at center. Moore at 298 and Friedman at 285 are undersized in an era where their opposite numbers at DT are all over 300, most near 315-330. If you count TEs as part of the OL, as no doubt Gibbs does, then the team does have some extra work to do. But as I said on a post yesterday, can we be sure that Gibbs, Rennie Simmons and Bugel can't get more out of the 6'4 and 255 Robert Royal or Kevin Ware at TE? I don't know how these guys practice, but they have the size to be successful, maybe it is just the element of proper coaching that has been missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 As others have said, the talent is in place, with good coaching the line should be 1 of the top 5 in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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