Skillari Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I hope so. He is no different then the other stupid big spending spree free agents Snyder has gone out and gotten like Deion, Bruce, and George. The only difference I see in Trotter is he was young but so many players from Philly often fail outside their system. Hell look at ND Kalu. When he was with the Skins he was a 3rd down guy. With Philly he had 74 tackles. That is 3 times as many as any Skins DE. Well we dont really have any DE's but it shows that they have a system that works for less talented players. Hugh Douglass went from 12.5 sacks last year to 3.5 this year in Jacksonville and also had half the tackles he did last year. Trotter will count 2.7 mil against the cap next year and hasn't been worth any of the money we gave him. I hear a lot of talk about letting Armstead go but I think he deserves to stay. Jessie had 6.5 sacks(.5 more than Lavar and 5 more than Trotter). He was the only linebacker I saw making any plays this year on a consistant basis. We should let go of Trotter and let Kevin Mitchell play. He has been screwed over and over by the Skins by not getting any playing time. When he does get playing time he is just as good as any of the other ILB's who have played before him (Trotter and Derick Smith). I know Trotter lead the team in tackles but that is only due to the fact that we had no one in front of him so he had the ball run at him constantly. Just my two cents. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I think he'll be a cap casualty because people say we are going to make a strong push for Kearse. I think he'll be a better back with Williams at the helm, but it might not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 He won't be cut. I wouldn't want to see him cut either. He seems genuinely excited to be here for this AND we finally have someone who will actually know how to use him properly. I look for him to get back to his old (Eagles) form this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Agreed Tank. Lets see what this coaching staff can do with some of the talent we have on defense. If they say he has to go, then he has to go. Along with anybody else they say has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 It would be a mistake cutting Trotter. With Williams at DC he will have a huge year if he stays, mark my words. Plus who's gonna play MLB if he leaves? Clifton Smith? Maybe eventually but I doubt he's ready now. Kevin Mitchell is a UFA and getting old, plus he's not nearly as good as some posters on this board believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Trotter prefers a attacking style of defense and Williams style should suit him. Also, the cap savings from cutting him do not appeal, cut after june and you move a big hit onto next year, cut him before June and we chew up a lot of the free cap space we have now. I say give him one more year, if he can't respond to a defense that is suited to his strengths then he can go next year. if we did cut him it's a banker he would go back to Philly and haunt us!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 He won't be cut, as others have stated, the 46 is an ideal system for Trotter, he will likely be one of our more improved players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lavarminator Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I totally agree. Trotter is a good player. He has not played up to his talent level largely due to the very cautious defenses we have run. I never liked the pickup at the price we paid for him, but he is still young and is a good player on this team with Gregg Williams at DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Next year, if he doesn't step it up, is when I'd make the call one way or the other. I want to see how JT responds to the Gibbs/Williams regime change first. Plus he's another year removed from major reconstructive surgery. Trotter could explode big time this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillari Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 What about when Marvin Lewis was our DC? He was probably the best DC in the league then and George Edwards was supposadly the same style coach. Trotter didnt do anything when he was healthy even with 2 good DT's in front of him. I am sick of hearing all this crap about give them time. He was given a 35 million dollor contract, he should be able to play dominant defense no matter who the DC is. I dont remember Ray Lewis or any of the Ravens having a problem when their DC's changed. Could it just be the Vinny is the worst talent evaluator in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by Skillari What about when Marvin Lewis was our DC? He was probably the best DC in the league then and George Edwards was supposadly the same style coach. Trotter didnt do anything when he was healthy even with 2 good DT's in front of him. I am sick of hearing all this crap about give them time. He was given a 35 million dollor contract, he should be able to play dominant defense no matter who the DC is. I dont remember Ray Lewis or any of the Ravens having a problem when their DC's changed. Could it just be the Vinny is the worst talent evaluator in the NFL? If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Marvin Lewis year was when he was hurt. As far as George Edwards...that D was horrid from the bottom up. No one was anywhere near prepared. If there was any type of motion on the offense they looked completely lost. He was an awful coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Someone might need to confirm this, but I believe that it costs $3.7 million to keep Trotter, $5 million to cut him prior to June. After June, what's the point? We might as well give him a healthy year to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillari Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 You say that G Edwards was horrible. Maybe I am wrong but didn't we consider Mike Nolan a terrible coordinator when he was with the Skins? With Baltimore this year he had the number 3 defense. I think we give some of the Skins players to much benefit of a doubt. We need good solid players not big names. I know Gibbs can change players and I didn't realize Trotters cap number would be so big. Hopefully he will suceed because I am a Redskins fan and want the best but I just get tired of the same old excusses about big name busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Not a big fan of the Trotter signing from day one. Would like to have seen some of that money spent on the D-line. If he can be replaced with as good or better talent with a better cap number then fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Trotter is staying he was only one of the few that were here during the Gibbs hiring and he is happy. Why would we cut one of the better MLB's in the league?? Trotter is staying for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguine Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 After the injury he had, it takes (realistically) 15-18 months to regain full 100% lateral movement ability. He was playing on one leg all year. At least give him a chance to play at full strength before you let the guy go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 We've discussed this over on the 700 level and we would love to see that happen. Jim Johnson always finds a way to utilize his players potential. The problem Trotter had in Philly was staying at home in the middle. He liked to freelance a bit too much for JJ's scheme. He was out of position on almost half the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 The fact he was one of a few current players who attended Gibbs' unveiling press conference, I say give him a shot. He had a look on his face of pride, and he wasn't even a part of it all!. But he knows. He knows what is going to happen here. He wants to be a part of it, His attendance is evidence of that, and to me shows the kind of commitment Gibbs asks of his players. I'd be shocked if Trotter misses 1 minute of 1 meeting this year. We know he can play,, freelance or not, Philly vited him their MVP on a year their defense was outstanding. He CAN play. Let him. I wasn't too happy with his performance this season, and I thought we could have gotten basically the same play out of Kevin Mitchell for a lot less $$... but Trotter's face at that press conference told me otherwise. He needs to stay. And i bet he'd take less money to stay, too. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displaced Fan Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I believe that we should give him a chance. We have a new coaching staff, with a prove coordinator on defense. P.S. Phanatic, About your signature line, man thats cold!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_good_brotha Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by Skillari You say that G Edwards was horrible. Maybe I am wrong but didn't we consider Mike Nolan a terrible coordinator when he was with the Skins? With Baltimore this year he had the number 3 defense. Baltimore plays in the AFC North. There are no high powered offenses in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillari Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 you got me on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 My guess is that along with a guarantee that the team would do its utmost to get Champ resigned, Williams was attracted by the talent at the LB position of the Skins. All three, even the "aging" Armstead are extremely talented ball players. Despite a couple of bonehead moves and "bad" knee, Trotter played very well overall. Especially in a defense that was putting he and the other 2 routinely 5-6 yards back off the line. Trotter is a big, big, man. And very fast for a guy his size. They do not grow on trees in the NFL. and he's still young yet. Thinking very good things for this crew with Williams on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 I think it would be crazy to cut Trotter. Williams is a coordinator you can see using him a bit differently than he was used and therefore more effectively. Trotter, by all of our views, played only so-so this year. He STILL had 115 total tackles, with 96 of them being solo tackles. Contrast that with Takeo Spikes who helped the Bills defense improve. Takeo had 120 tackles but only 70 were solo. If Trotter can perform THAT well behind a relatively weak defensive line in a scheme that DOESN'T fit his abilities, can you imagine what he MIGHT do in a scheme where he might be allowed to be somewhat more aggressive? To me he's got to be safe at least for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Ok, I'm begining to waver on Trotter. I'll defer to see what Williams runs as his system. Maybe he can get these guys to play up to the level of hype accorded them when they were brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.