ljer Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by PennSkinsFan Lavar is no different than Champ and they are no different than anyone else. DC is great, but the cash is what it is all about. I love Lavar, I loved him when he was at my Alma Mater, but this is not abotu the Redskisn or the fans or DC, it is about payday. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 No one takes the first offer they get... that's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by PennSkinsFan Lavar is no different than Champ and they are no different than anyone else. DC is great, but the cash is what it is all about. I love Lavar, I loved him when he was at my Alma Mater, but this is not abotu the Redskisn or the fans or DC, it is about payday. :insane: :dunce: No offense, but DUH. This isn;t the seventies or the eighties. The landscapre of the NFL has changed dramatically. If these players and their agents don;t negotiate a fair market value for their services, then they're really naive, or just plain dumb. Free agency isn't going anywhere. This is the way the NFL is. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by SlinginSammy I'd say 8-8, 8-8, 7-9 & 5-8 probably have them a little unsettled. Well, they obviously have a hand in that. If they don't like it they should do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Of course it's about the cash. It should be. Why would LaVar or Champ take a lesser deal than one they can get in a month. They have to look out for themselves first. Doesn't mean they don't want to be here and aren't committed. Just means they want a nice contract. I can't blame them for turning down the first offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Posse, first of all, Lavar isn't going to be a FA this offseason. Secondly, there's a difference between a "nice contract" and holding out and switching teams in order to get an extra couple of million dollars. I realize that sounds dumb because who wouldnt' do that? But with a contract that totals 65M dollars, holding out for an extra 5 isn't necessarily as necessary as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by rdsknbill :insane: :dunce: No offense, but DUH. This isn;t the seventies or the eighties. The landscapre of the NFL has changed dramatically. If these players and their agents don;t negotiate a fair market value for their services, then they're really naive, or just plain dumb. Free agency isn't going anywhere. This is the way the NFL is. Sad but true. Okay so whats fair market value for Lavar? Boulware money?, Lewis money? I love Lavar too but he doesnt impact the game as much as Lewis does, so he definetely isnt in Lewis territory. In fact when was the last game that Lavar was truely a disruptive force. I cant remember one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 When Danny boys throws around the big dollars to average players do you not think stars like Champ & Lavar don't take notice? Karma baby Karma :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by NYC When Danny boys throws around the big dollars to average players do you not think stars like Champ & Lavar don't take notice? Karma baby Karma :applause: :insane: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by NYC When Danny boys throws around the big dollars to average players do you not think stars like Champ & Lavar don't take notice? Karma baby Karma :applause: Which average players are you referring to NYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Thomas, Morton, Hall, Coles is not average but his contrcat is bloated for him. Throw in Trotter & Armstead too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think your wrong. Thomas has been the lone bright spot on the line (BTW - his cap hit is 1.5 mil this year). Morton has been a solid KR and has already taken one to the house. Additionally, he has been a solid threat out of the backfield (950k cap hit this year for a backup RB and a PR/KR). Hall is kicking at 80% and is 4/6 from 50+ yards. No kicker has made moe than 3 fg's from more than 50. The Jets replacement at kicker is 0/4 from 50+. Lose any close games this year? That's a 850k cap hit for Hall this year. For 500k more, the Jets could have kept Coles this year and had him teaming up with an emerginf Santana Moss. Instead, they decided to play it cheap, take the 1st rounder (spend the SAME amount of money signing him) and getting a retread like Conway who is not even having 1/2 of the year that Coles is. Cap hit of 2.5 mil or so for Coles, the best WR the Skins have had since Gary Clark. Trotter was coming off of what, 2 or 3 straight pro-bowls? The Skins made a bad signing...but a good move, imho, in pursuing talent like his. (1.5 mil cap hit for Trotter this year). Armstead is a bloated contract? Reallly? Is he making 5+ million to be a backup QB? His cap hit of 1.4 million this year hardly seems like a bloated contract. Especially with a team that still has roughly 2 mil under the cap with most of the year gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 13 mill bonus for Cole$..........he's not a top WR in the league. Maybe on your scrub team but not in the NFL. The you offer Champ & Arrington whom are both in the top 3 at their positions around the same signing bonus, hilarious. Say what you want about Thomas, Morton & Hall they're all average footvball players and we're all overPAID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljer Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Is this moron a Jets or Giants fan?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by NYC 13 mill bonus for Cole$..........he's not a top WR in the league. Maybe on your scrub team but not in the NFL. The you offer Champ & Arrington whom are both in the top 3 at their positions around the same signing bonus, hilarious. Say what you want about Thomas, Morton & Hall they're all average footvball players and we're all overPAID. Coles is 7th in yards, 13th in catches...and there are only 2, YES 2, WR's who have caught as many passes as him that have a higher YPC. Those two are Chad Johnson and Randy Moss. Nice company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I see alot more fans being sympathetic to Arrington than Champ. I wonder why.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 R.Moss T.Owens T.Holt even A.Boldin (whom you could have drafted) Those guys are elite WR's not Coles, he's a 2nd tier WR like of D.Jackson, K.Robinson etc only he makes elite money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Coles does everything an elite WR is supposed to do and he is a positive club house presence. He is probably the best player on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Except get in the end-zone. You truly think Coles is up there with the Randy Moss's & Torry Holt's of the league? You're on crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Interesting that you would bring up Holt. He had 91 catches last year and 4 td's. Coles on pace for 85 and 5td. Wait, are you saying that Holt didnt become an elite WR until this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I don't think anyone is up there with Randy Moss, but Torry Holt? Yes definately he is on that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasfan Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Originally posted by The Evil Genius Again, unless the offer included the signing bonus to actually be paid over a 2 or 3 year period - Lavar would be getting MORE money upfront and more importantly, IT'S GUARENTEED (the SB is). What he's trying to get you to realize is compare the final 3 years of Lavar's contract, he's got about 26 million coming to him, and really unless he has a career ending injury, snyder won't cut him. If he signs a contract extension he probably won't see 26 million in the first three years, and when he's set to recieve his big payday, snyder will just want to re-negotiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redblazer00 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I don't think Mr. Snyder is going to work on cap issue's during the week of the Dallas game? This all seems a little fishy to me! Is Jerry Jones behind all this mess? We have plenty of time to redue contract's why all the sudden the week of the Cowboys this news breaks on ESPN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 The season's almost over and there are still moron jets fans hanging around claiming that Coles and the other ex-jets aren't very good and were overpaid.:laugh: All four of those guys have played really well and earned their money. Hell, they were probably our 4 best players this year. If Coles was surrounded by the Rams offense, he would have numbers like Holt. As far as Lavar goes, don't freak out yet people. Nobody takes the first offer. Lavar isn't going anywhere, because there is no way in hell Snyder will let him get away. Champ maybe, but not Lavar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Interesting that you would bring up Holt. He had 91 catches last year and 4 td's. Look, evil, you've already embarrassed yourself once in this thread so please let this go. Coles is no Holt. Coles is a top 10 NFC receiver with great speed- that's it. He isn't in the top tier of NFL receivers- Moss, Owens, Harrison, Chad Johnson, etc. I can't even remember the contract he got, so I can't say whether or not he was overpaid, but please stop saying he is as good as Holt (who is still paced to possibly break Jerry Rice's record for receiving yards in a season). Also, when you talk about how low the cap hits for those free agents, think really hard....you saw the contract numbers. If there is only a teeny cap hit this year, would there not have to a big one somewhere? If Lavar doesn't restructure, the Skins may not have enough cap room to franchise Champ and it seems like he's dying to get out of town at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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