visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld Ukraine files request for extradition from Russia of ousted President Viktor Yanukovich: Ukrainian prosecutor general 1:17 PM https://twitter.com/carlbildt Swedish FM Crimea situation alarming. Russia must immediately withdraw forces it controls to agreed base area. Simferopol is clearly outside this area 1:30 PM https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa White House spox on Ukraine: To interfere in Ukraine's matters it is to cross red line, @MGongadze reports 1:35 PM https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN Gunmen at the airports, the TV station and inside parliament. ukraine is clearly not in control of Crimea anymore. 1:45 PM https://twitter.com/ArtWendeley Crimean airport: All incoming and outgoing flights cancelled tonight. Airspace closed. Simferopol pic.twitter.com/pqVbpE1W9x 1:42 PM https://twitter.com/ianjameslee Ukrainian telecoms company UKRTELEKOM posts on its website that they've lost landline connectivity between Ukraine and Crimea. 1:51 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Wow, this is unreal. It certainly appears as though Russia is just taking over that region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/crimean-tatars-deported-by-stalin-rally-against-russia-1.270448?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter http://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/the-russians-of-ukraine-asked-putin-not-to-bring-the-troops/ I have a buddy who's Ukrainian, Born here but grew up speaking Ukrainian at home, and his kids speak Ukrainian. His daughter was over in Ukraine as a stringer for a news service when these troubles began and his entire family travels there regularly. He was saying the Ukrainians don't have any problems with the Russians. Most of the people in the country speak both languages as they are similar. Russia controlled the country for hundreds of years and there has been intermarriage. There is just no real ethnic conflict with the Russians. There is however ethnic conflict between the Catholic Ukrainians and the Orthodox Ukrainians.. Not like they would shoot one another, but more like a rivalry akin to the Cowboys and Redskins.. Who's city is nicer the Orthodox Kiev or the Catholic L'viv... that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-11-airports-seized/ 2006 GMT: The interim Ukrainian president says that Russia has started the “Abkhazia Scenario in Crimea.” Our translation: “Under the guise of military exercises, Russia has brought troops into the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. And not only have they seized the parliament of the Crimea, the Council of Ministers of the Crimea, they are trying to take civilian buildings under control, communications, and trying to block places where Ukrainian soldiers are based,” he said in an appeal to the nation. “They are provoking us to military conflict. According to information from our intelligence, they are working out scenarios that are completely analogous to Abkhazia, when after provoking a conflict, they began annexation of territory,” the acting president emphasized. 2028 GMT: Here’s the details on this reported Russian invasion force, via the BBC: Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near [simferopol], senior Ukrainian official Sergiy Kunitsyn is reported by the AFP to have told Crimea’s ATR television channel. Mr Kunitsyn says 13 Russian planes have landed with 150 people in each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Let's hope this is more about Russia doing a show of force rather than military aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-11-airports-seized/#2113 2100 GMT: This week, Ukraine’s parliament voted to strike down a law that established Russia as Ukraine’s second language. Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has struck down the repeal of the law: 2106 GMT:s Myroslava Gongadze reports on the UN Security Council Meeting: Ukrainian ambassador Yuriy Sergeyev : What do you want from this meeting? “Support. Moral, political support of world community because what is going on is awful. The military presence in Crimea, which is enlarging, this is something which should attract the attention of the world community because it is the challenge to the security & peace in the region, and challenging the territorial integrity.” British Ambo Mark Lyall Grant: “This is a private meeting of SC followed by consultations at request of Lithuanian delegation, in their national capacity, following a letter from the permanent rep of Ukraine. We think it is an [important] opportunity to set out our concerns about developments, particularly in the Crimea, also to call on all parties to deescalate the situation, reduce the tension and to underline… we hope that all member states attach to the unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I have a buddy who's Ukrainian, Born here but grew up speaking Ukrainian at home, and his kids speak Ukrainian. His daughter was over in Ukraine as a stringer for a news service when these troubles began and his entire family travels there regularly. He was saying the Ukrainians don't have any problems with the Russians. Most of the people in the country speak both languages as they are similar. Russia controlled the country for hundreds of years and there has been intermarriage. There is just no real ethnic conflict with the Russians. There is however ethnic conflict between the Catholic Ukrainians and the Orthodox Ukrainians.. Not like they would shoot one another, but more like a rivalry akin to the Cowboys and Redskins.. Who's city is nicer the Orthodox Kiev or the Catholic L'viv... that sort of thing. Enlightening, I didn't know there was any significant Catholic prescence in Ukraine, in addition I thought most of the country was secular anyway. I also know a woman from the Ukraine and she never came across me as disliking Russians, though she probably didn't like Putin, etc. Pretty sure she is not religious so I didn't really know about any religous conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The right is lighting up twitter today with old condescending articles from the left calling out Palin and Romney for stating that Russian aggression against Ukraine was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Let's hope this is more about Russia doing a show of force rather than military aggression. When has Russia ever done a show of force, for the show's merits? I can't think of one.... There was that one case when we invaded Serbia where the Russians sent in a group of commandos and occupied an airport.. Their plan was to try to get us to agree on a partition like the partition of Germany after WWII. They pulled out without much trouble ultimately, but that was more due to the lack of readiness of the Russian forces to meet their own needs (food, water, supplies) much less challenge our forces in Yugoslavia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Enlightening, I didn't know there was any significant Catholic prescence in Ukraine, in addition I thought most of the country was secular anyway. I also know a woman from the Ukraine and she never came across me as disliking Russians, though she probably didn't like Putin, etc. Pretty sure she is not religious so I didn't really know about any religous conflict. From the CIA factbook Ukrainian Orthodox - Kyiv Patriarchate 50.4%, Ukrainian Orthodox - Moscow Patriarchate 26.1%, Ukrainian Greek Catholic 8%, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox 7.2%, Roman Catholic 2.2%, Protestant 2.2%, Jewish 0.6%, other 3.2% (2006 est.)[/size] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/up.html So the number of Catholic Ukrainians is not as large as the Orthodox in Ukraine. Oddly enough the # of Catholic Ukrainians in the United States outnumbers the Orthodox Ukrainians.. (according to my buddy who grew up in a Ukrainian part of Philadelphia). That's probable a distinction of how the Germans sorted out the Ukranians in WWII and ultimately which refugees fell in who's spheres of influence when the shooting stopped. My buddy belonged to a Freedom for Ukraine group here in the United States for most of his childhood. He said it was like the YMCA. Kids got to go swimming, the adults sat in a room and argued about the Soviets. Most of the arguments broke down on the lines of Catholics or Orthodox. Just got a notice... "Obama warns Russia there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine"...... Somehow I don't see Putin being all that concerned. That's about the vaguest and most non committal warning we could issue... We are basically telling Putin we won't intercede militarily... which is worse than saying nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The right is lighting up twitter today with old condescending articles from the left calling out Palin and Romney for stating that Russian aggression against Ukraine was possible. Just making political hay out of straw while they can, Par for the coarse.. It's not like our policy would be any different if we had Romney in the WH..or Bush Jr. This isn't a party thing. We just don't have any vital interests in the Ukraine and no formal alliances or treaties either. The only way we could sell this to the American people would be to mark Putin as a serial aggressor, and make the case to deal with him now before he threatens one of our allies which is only a matter of time... Which probable isn't too far from the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Amateur video of the Russian helicopters entering Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 https://twitter.com/mpoppel BREAKING -- Ukraine's defense ministry says has info "radical forces" plan to enter military bases in Crimea starting at 2 am local 5:38 PM https://twitter.com/AFP BREAKING Russia sent 'several hundred' troops into Ukraine: US official 5:43 PM https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS BREAKING. @CBSNews Correspondent David Martin quotes a U.S. official as saying Russia is flying "hundreds" of troops into Crimea 5:48 PM https://twitter.com/AmbassadorPower We call on Russia to pull back military forces being built up in region. 5:49 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 https://twitter.com/mpoppel https://twitter.com/AFP https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS https://twitter.com/AmbassadorPower I was looking up Ukrainian Military... Looks pretty pathetic. I don't think they are going to even resist. I don't think they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 https://twitter.com/mpoppel REU: Obama and European leaders would consider skipping G8 summit in Sochi if Russia intervenes militarily in Ukraine, U.S. official says 6:20 PM REU: U.S. response to any Russian intervention in Ukraine could include avoiding deeper trade and commerce ties Moscow is seeking, U.S. says 6:26 PM REU: U.S. IS SEEING DEVELOPMENTS IN UKRAINE’S CRIMEA REGION THAT LEAD IT TO BELIEVE RUSSIA INTERVENING THERE MILITARILY - U.S. OFFICIAL 6:30 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 https://twitter.com/mpoppel Visionary... I'm following this entire event through your posts... Keep up the good work. It's excellent. I'm going to go find a TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Thanks. https://twitter.com/CNHorn One US official tells @CBSDavidMartin about Russian troop movements in Crimea: "This is history being made." 6:43 PM Lovely observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I grew up in the large eastern Ukrainian city... Never met a single religious person in the city, only in the countryside. People spoke Russian where I grew up in the east and Ukrainian in the western part of Ukraine. This was at the core of cultural divisions between the regions. This is the first time I am hearing about religious strife in Ukraine, and I am highly skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 http://bnowire.com/inbox/?id=2197 Statement by HPSCI Chairman Mike Rogers on Situation in Ukraine Posted on 03-01 at 00:02:17 CST Statement by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers on the Situation in Ukraine"It appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean peninsula. This aggression is a threat not only to Ukraine, but to regional peace and stability. Russia’s latest action is yet another indicator that Vladimir Putin’s hegemonic ambitions threaten U.S. interests and allies around the world." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Somehow I don't see Putin being all that concerned. That's about the vaguest and most non committal warning we could issue... We are basically telling Putin we won't intercede militarily... which is worse than saying nothing. I think you misunderstood me. I'm not advocating war, I'm saying what would have to happen to "force" us to go war? And I don't understand why you're asking me why the Russian Black Sea fleet in Crimea poses a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 https://twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK Holy_Crap!! CNN footage shows numerous Russian 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers in #Sevastopol. pic.twitter.com/ELiZI4VRpt 7:37 PM BreakingNews Russian invasion forces captured the Kirovskoye air base, 150km(!) from Sevastopol http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=45.170163&lon=35.178995&z=15&m=b via @EuromaidanPR 7:48 PM BreakingNews Confirmation!! 16 military trucks arrived in Kirov air base and seized it without resistance. 3rd beachhead for Russia. 7:54 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I find it very difficult to imagine Russia actually invading Ukraine. They obviously need to do a massive show of force, they may take Crimea as a "what are you going to do about it" statement, but the possibility of Russian soldiers and tanks in Ukrainian cities still seems like a very remote possibility. I know Russian invasion of Ukraine may not seem like a big deal to many people here... I think it would be a huge deal for many reasons. Many places in Eastern Ukraine have historic and economic ties to Russia, and some people are sympathetic, but having soldiers and tanks on your streets changes all that. I really do not think Russia is stupid enough to do something like that. Fingers crossed that this is not just hopeful thinking on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 I hope you're right. The movement of troops and armor and taking of military bases worries me (if various the reports are accurate). It's hard to tell where, when this will end. Hopefully it won't go farther than this. It's depressing enough already. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/28/u-s-spies-said-no-invasion-putin-disagreed.html U.S. Spies Said No Invasion—Putin Disagreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 If Putin wants all of Ukraine, he will get it. You thinkObama, so called drawing of lines will stop him. Heck, this might encourage China to go ahead and take Tawain. Anyone, honestly think Obama is going to send troops to defend Tawaiin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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