Going Commando Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 God I hope New Orleans doesn't get a top three pick. Regarding the Pacers/Heat series... The team that wins game three, wins the series. Yes, I know tonight is game two, but still. Game three is the game to key in on... I'm feeling a Miami win tonight. But if they lose, they're going to be in trouble. In retrospect, New Orleans should have kept Noel and kept their draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 If Boston wins the pick Bill simmons will explode on air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mocountyskins Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I saw this today in another forum and I thought it makes sense and I am also somewhat skeptical of how things turn out. "Since 1990, when the NBA draft lottery went to the weighted average ball system that theoretically gave the team with the worst record the best chance, there have been some strange and certainly questionable results. In the period from 1990 to the most recently completed lottery, there have been 23 draft lotteries determined. In that time, the team with the worst record (top seed for the lottery) has won the draft lottery 3 times (1990, 2003, 2004). The reason this seems suspicious is that during that same time period a team with the 8th seed or lower has won the draft lottery three times as well (1993, 2008, 2011). The three teams in those three years? Orlando in 1993 with 1 chance in 66 (1.5%), Chicago in 2008 with 17 chances out of 1000 (1.7%) and the LA Clippers in 2011 with 28 chances out of 1000 (2.8%). What makes these results interesting is that in 2008 there was much conjecture about the Bulls floundering franchise, and they suddenly defy the odds mightily to win the draft for hometown sensation Derrick Rose who immediately begins to turn the fortunes of the Bulls. Then in 2011, the Clippers pick actually belonged to the Cavaliers as a result of an earlier trade, and thus the Cavaliers win the lottery the same year Lebron leaves for the Heat. Very convenient. In fact, if you combine the chances of the three eighth place or lower winners, there was a 2.2% chance of those three lotteries falling the way they did, while the top seeded teams in those same lotteries had a 24.7% chance of things falling their way. That is a ten-fold difference in probability, yet the lower seeded team defied the odds all three times. Another interesting point to the lottery results over the last 23 years is that the 5th seed or lower has won the lottery 11 times in 23 draft lotteries. That is almost half of the contested lotteries. The top three seeds in the lottery have only won it 12 times (interestingly enough, no fourth seed has won it since the weighted ball system went into effect). So the top three teams in the lottery over the last 23 years (who had much better mathematical chances to win than the seeds below them) have only won the lottery ONE more time than teams that were 5th seeded or lower going in, and there have been as many winners from the 8th seed or lower as there have from the top seed in the same time period. I’m no mathematician, and I don’t play one on television, but those results seem awfully fishy to me. Based on the odds of the 8th seed or lower teams that won, there should have been no more than one winner from seeds that low or lower in 23 tries (23 x 2.2% works out to 0.5, or not even one win). Yet there have been 3 wins from such seeds, and the 5th seed or lower has won only one less time than the top three seeds. Those numbers seem to defy the odds of random chance that the draft lottery ostensibly uses to determine the winner. The NBA draft lottery has come under scrutiny for its past results, and frankly such scrutiny is warranted based on these numbers. I think it would be very interesting for a qualified mathematician to take all the data for all of the contested lotteries from 1990 through the most recent one and work up an algorithm to determine what the overall odds were that all of the lotteries would fall exactly the way they did. I mean one set of odds to cover the results of all 23 years. I’m willing to bet the number would be astronomical. I’ve said before that the draft lottery is rigged, and after reviewing these numbers I see nothing to dissuade me from that belief. The NBA claims it isn’t rigged, yet no one can see the actual process real- time when the winner is determined. If the lottery is on the up and up, why all the secrecy? Let everyone see the results as they happen, and this way there’s no chance the thing is rigged. The lottery is a joke and they need to go back to the way every other sports league in America does things and give the worst team the first pick. Considering that the NBA already has credibility problems with their officiating and their seeming preferential treatment of superstars, this draft lottery system and the amazing odds-defying performances that it keeps yielding do nothing to bolster that credibility at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Also Adam Silver is doing a good job. With all the hate Stern got for basically being a gigantic jerk to everyone (remember the Drafts..."I can't hear you" :laugh:) it's nice to see someone who is somewhat dignified and professional as the face of the league. Adam Silver is more corporate and behaved but he's still not scared to lash out at peons who go against league rules. - Lashed out at Donald Sterling professionally instead of being a bully (see his incident with Jim Rome) - Advocates maturity as he wants to raise age from 19 to 20 No complaints here. Edited May 20, 2014 by ixcuincle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) The best reason to have a "lottery" is so that they can rig it and have some control over future stars. No one complains in the other sports about tanking and the nfl has some awful franchises that "suck for Luck" and obviously go into rebuild mode (which is the less cynical name for tanking). It makes more sense from a competitive stand point to award the best talent to the worst team. Edited May 20, 2014 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Just get rid of it and award it to the worst teams. Too often the worst teams don't even win the lottery. You're lucky that this year's draft is deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Yeah, the lottery sucks. It's rigged and if it isn't then it doesnt work. The Bobcats had the worst record ever in NBA history, but magically the Pelicans get the #1 pick after they finally got someone to buy the team (Saint's owner). Bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Man that Bucks girl is so hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) LOL, I think they rigged it for the Hornets to get #9. I'll take it after getting ****ed since their creation. Edited May 21, 2014 by Dont Taze Me Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Lakers won't win it nor will Celtics Allay the rigging fears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Lakers and celtics not in the top 5 The Cavs might do it again. Kyrie is getting help no matter where they pick in the top three. Edited May 21, 2014 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Watch the Cavs win it and draft another bust Althoug hthis year they've GOT to draft Wiggins eh Not doing so would cause riots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The Cavs win again. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dont' draft another bust. Holy **** that girl is so damn hot. Omg. The thing is the Cavs now have 2 #1 picks (although Anthony Bennett is basically invisible and doesn't count) and they barely missed the playoffs in a weak East. Just the addition of one rookie who will actually contribute something positive to the team could possibly nudge this team into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 So rigged its pathetic lol. This **** be scripted like tha WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If it were rigged the Lakers or Celtics would have won it. The real winner here is all of us for having seen Mallory Edens. My goodness Bill Simmons: "Mallory won the internet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If it were rigged the Lakers or Celtics would have won it. Agreed. This is just witchcraft in Cleveland. I wonder how many homeless people have disappeared in the week leading up to the nba draft lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If it were rigged the Lakers or Celtics would have won it. Not necessarily, both teams have a historic following and will make money and sell tickets regardless. Cleveland had less than a 2% chance to win the lottery, it is definitely rigged lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Pics of hot girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) If it were rigged the Lakers or Celtics would have won it. The real winner here is all of us for having seen Mallory Edens. My goodness Bill Simmons: "Mallory won the internet" She's the new face of the franchise! Certainly more fun to look at than the team they put on the floor. Funny thing is they weren't tanking, they spent in FA and were trying to win. Pics of hot girl.Don't let your expectations get away from you. Consider that she stood out sitting in a group of old nervous men. Edited May 21, 2014 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 **** the Cavs. Dead serious, I would have rather seen the Lakers or Celtics win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Anyhow, lets go Pacers! She's the new face of the franchise! Certainly more fun to look at than the team they put on the floor. Funny thing is they weren't tanking, they spent in FA and were trying to win.Don't let your expectations get away from you. Consider that she stood out sitting in a group of old nervous men. She's cute/pretty. Kind of Elisha Cuthbert'ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 **** the Cavs. Dead serious, I would have rather seen the Lakers or Celtics win it. Yeah I hate it so much. Now that chump Kyrie gets to roll with Wiggins or Embiid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If the Cavs waste this pick too, the NBA should fold them. Or at least force their ownership to sell. They can apparently do that. They should make Cleveland's pick be determined by fan voting. Could it yield worse results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 They'd be too stupid to waste it. The draft is too sure-fire. If they don't take Embiid or Wiggins they are seriously stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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