Destino Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Anthony Bennet just got worked by JR Smith. As if his season needed anymore lowlights. Edited January 31, 2014 by Destino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unibrow has to be an all-star this year, thought he was an easy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Kyrie is having a sort of a disappointing season. His team is still not winning and instead of a third year leap many of his numbers are down. The year isn't over though and even at his current production he's an allstar level player. In other news allstar reserves announced. East: Roy Hibbert (Pacers), John Wall (Wizards), Joakim Noah (Bulls), DeMar DeRozan (Raptors), Paul Millsap (Hawks), Chris Bosh (Heat) and Joe Johnson (Nets). West: Dwight Howard (Rockets), LaMarcus Aldridge (Blazers), Damian Lillard (Blazers), Tony Parker (Spurs), Dirk Nowitzki (Mavericks), Chris Paul (Clippers) and James Harden (Rockets) It's an absolute joke that Joe Johnson/Derozan made the team over guys like Lowry and Stephenson. In the West, Dragic deserves to be there as does AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bennett was a mismatch on a SG anyway. Look at Kyrie trying to give him "help." Who was he guarding? The Cavs really need to get Bennett going. It's an absolute joke that Joe Johnson/Derozan made the team over guys like Lowry and Stephenson. In the West, Dragic deserves to be there as does AD. Davis certainly deserved to make it. But who does Dragic make it over though? All of the guards who made it sans Kobe are better than him. Kobe's spot should go to Davis. That leaves Dragic the odd man out. There were two other Cavs players in the paint when JR Smith went up for his dunk. That team is pathetic defensively. That's what taking an "analytics heavy" approach to building a team gets you apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 JR wasn't done: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bennett was a mismatch on a SG anyway. Look at Kyrie trying to give him "help." Who was he guarding?The Cavs really need to get Bennett going.Davis certainly deserved to make it. But who does Dragic make it over though? All of the guards who made it sans Kobe are better than him. Kobe's spot should go to Davis. That leaves Dragic the odd man out.There were two other Cavs players in the paint when JR Smith went up for his dunk. That team is pathetic defensively.That's what taking an "analytics heavy" approach to building a team gets you apparently. If we're talking about this season Dragic could be argued as having a better year than Tony Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Davis should have gotten in over Howard. Howard has been okay, but America needs to see Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If we're talking about this season Dragic could be argued as having a better year than Tony Parker. And then the Spurs have no All Stars? That'd be unacceptable. TP is the best player on one of the best teams in the league. Dragic has been excellent, but there just wasn't a spot for him on this year's team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And then the Spurs have no All Stars? That'd be unacceptable. TP is the best player on one of the best teams in the league. Dragic has been excellent, but there just wasn't a spot for him on this year's team IMO. That makes no sense to me. It's about picking the best players not team representatives. Then again he probably should have gone instead of a Kobe but fan voting is ridiculous so Kobe is in despite being injured and pretty horrible this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That makes no sense to me. It's about picking the best players not team representatives. Then again he probably should have gone instead of a Kobe but fan voting is ridiculous so Kobe is in despite being injured and pretty horrible this season. But being the best player on one of the best teams is part of the consideration for who the best players are. That's why I don't have a problem with the dominant teams getting at least one player in. And that's why they snub players from less successful teams. Basketball is such a team sport, your starting off with a fundamentally flawed premise in trying to pick out All Stars. Any criteria you use is going to either have subjectivity built into it, or a decontextualization problem. But if you look at the way a lot of the players (at least the ones with good attitudes) talk about the AS selections, they say things like "I'm proud to represent the Dallas organization, etc." "Dallas should have someone at the game." They understand that what they do is the product of playing a role within a system requiring team effort. They know their scoring is a product of their teammates working for them to get those scores most of the time. San Antonio is dominant and Parker is the trigger man for it and their best player. He's been a fringe MVP candidate for the past couple years because of that. Plus you can separate him from his team success and his individual numbers do justify him being an AS IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If Durant plays for a long time, he could climb ahead of Bird IMO. 25 and this accomplished already is crazy. Figure we've got another five seasons of top of the NBA play if he doesn't get hurt. I agree, strictly based on longevity, Bird took a year off and didn't get into the NBA until he was 23 and then his stubbornness to pay someone to pave his mom's driveway destroyed his back and that left him with about 8 healthy seasons. Of course that included one of the highest peaks in NBA history ('84-'88) and even as a decrepit old man who could barely walk, he still averaged 20/10/7 in his final season including a 49-point triple double at the expense of Clyde Drexler. That's insane. I think Durant could beat Jordan's record of 10 scoring titles. Not sure he beats his 31.4 ppg he had with the Bulls but he will come close at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Boogie Cousins was a big snub as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unibrow has to be an all-star this year, thought he was an easy choice.he will replace Kobe as the Commissioner's pick Need someone to replace Chris Paul also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Boogie Cousins was a big snub as well. Yeah I think he was deserving too. I'm not sure who you leave off for him. Especially since Sacramento is still losing. he will replace Kobe as the Commissioner's pick Need someone to replace Chris Paul also. If Paul can't go it should be Goran Dragic to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 These debates are always kind of silly (though Davis not being there feels like a big injustice since I think he should be in the top five for MVP), but it's really great for the NBA that all the arguments for everyone (except Kobe) are good. We aren't arguing about marginal talents or washed up stars. You can make a really great case for a ton of guys - and that's with Westbrook, Rose, and Rondo on the shelf. Maybe they need to expand the All-Star rosters to 14. It's not like people would be mad if Boogie and Davis were allowed to play ten minutes in the game. The All Star game is really just about moments and creating little fun situations. Like, I would love to see Chris Paul and Davis play together for a few minutes and try to figure out how many dunks off pick and rolls they would get per game if they played together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think Durant could beat Jordan's record of 10 scoring titles. Not sure he beats his 31.4 ppg he had with the Bulls but he will come close at least. Carmelo getting it last season was a blow to that goal. He'll get his fourth this season. 6 more to go after that is a lot. Think about how great Kobe and Shaq each were and each of them only won 2. Plus Melo is going to be on Durant's heals every year for the next couple years. He could do it, but it'll be an extraordinary achievement. 31.4 for a career with the Bulls is crazy high. I don't think the game is fast enough today for Durant to average that much now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) These debates are always kind of silly (though Davis not being there feels like a big injustice since I think he should be in the top five for MVP), but it's really great for the NBA that all the arguments for everyone (except Kobe) are good. We aren't arguing about marginal talents or washed up stars. You can make a really great case for a ton of guys - and that's with Westbrook, Rose, and Rondo on the shelf. Maybe they need to expand the All-Star rosters to 14. It's not like people would be mad if Boogie and Davis were allowed to play ten minutes in the game. The All Star game is really just about moments and creating little fun situations. Like, I would love to see Chris Paul and Davis play together for a few minutes and try to figure out how many dunks off pick and rolls they would get per game if they played together. AS selections matter most for contract negotiations and marketing departments for franchises. But in terms ofa player's legacy, AS appearances do factor in HoF consideration and other general types of rankings. For someone like Davis, or even Cousins, I don't think missing it this year matters much. We expect them to make the team for a decade soon enough. It doesn't really matter how many those guys will get so long as its several. I have no idea how many Kareem or MJ or Magic or Bird went to. But it matters for the LaMarcus Aldridges and Joe Johnsons of the league. Those guys are fringey stars that don't have the decade long windows of dominance the most extreme talents do. They have to pile up all the honors they can in the time they are terrific so that in twenty years, old coots on the internet like you and I can be like, "I remember watching LaMarcus Aldridge, that dude was great back around 2014. He made a couple All Star games." And it really matters for the Paul Millsaps and Goran Dragics. Getting a selection or two validates them in a quick and dirty way. Edited January 31, 2014 by stevemcqueen1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 This is meaningless and Tony Parker is a great player but... This is one of the worst free throws ever. JR wasn't done: Looks like he stepped on Zeller. Still a great move though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If we're talking about this season Dragic could be argued as having a better year than Tony Parker. I don't agree. Tony Parker could score 25 points a game if he wanted to. He subsumes his game to make Pop's system run smoothly. We've played him too many times, and I understand him now. I will never undervalue that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 This is meaningless and Tony Parker is a great player but... This is one of the worst free throws ever. We need to show this to Vesely, show him that he can never be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So what do we think about David Sterns legacy? ESPN and TNT have essentially made the case that he's the greatest commissioner in pro sports. As an NBA fan my instinct is to hate the guy but he did play a huge role in making basketball a wildly popular global sport and his hated dress code had a larger impact than anyone could have possibly predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So what do we think about David Sterns legacy? ESPN and TNT have essentially made the case that he's the greatest commissioner in pro sports. As an NBA fan my instinct is to hate the guy but he did play a huge role in making basketball a wildly popular global sport and his hated dress code had a larger impact than anyone could have possibly predicted. Not much competition. Selig? No. Bettman? Ha. Goodell? Welcome to the NF Pansies L. So by default yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Andrew Bynum just signed with the Pacers...the rich get richer. Assuming this pays off....which I think it will. This was on Grantland a few days ago: CourtVision: The Pacers Are the Seattle Seahawks of the NBA Can the ECF just start today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Stern changed the rules of the game to allow more offense and be more "guard friendly". Stern killed the defensive style so prevalent by the Detroit Pistons, not to mention he was responsible for rigging lotteries allegedly The thug mentality is gone (rip Kobe wearing throwbacks into the arena) but the game is just too offensive now and defensive play is strongly discouraged. And that's on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I disagree. The pace of the game is slower than ever pretty much. Defense is FAR more sophisticated than it's ever been. Take a look at that continuum of the defensive quality of teams in the NBA in the post right above yours. Now take a look at the NBA standings. Defense is more important than ever. Some of the best and most impactful players in the game are defensive specialists. You really want it to go back to the days of the cheap shot Pistons? Or Pat Riley's Knicks mugging players all the way down the court? That was awful basketball. If anything, getting rid of the illegal defense calls and thus allowing zone defense completely changed the defensive landscape of the NBA. And it killed the ISO ball style that dominated the league before then, which is probably a good thing. I think you're getting the NBA confused with the NFL here. Also, you can't seriously use lottery rigging as a complaint against him. That's a fan conspiracy--a vehicle for fans to complain about the results of the lotteries. There's not actually any evidence that he's rigging them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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