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SF Chronicle - Proposed AZ law would let women be fired for using the pill

The Evil Genius

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twa

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Yah let's let the market flood with unwanted babies born to unfit mothers, so a new generation of WASP republicans can do nothing to help them and whine like little ****es about how they have to pay for their welfare

free and reduced cost contraceptives haven't stemmed the flood that I have noticed

Does my paying for it entitle me to tell them what they are doing wrong?

If free doesn't work can we then move to imposing on their rights for a change?

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Mad Mike

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Or, how a new generation of WASP dem's can do nothing but whine like little ****es about how other people will not pay for their birth control.

If that's your fight, go fight it. Don't create some insane situation where employers can pick and chose what they want to pay for based on their religious beliefs because as I said, by that standard they can just as easily claim that god is the only health care we need.

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Are they paying for your car insurance?

YES.

Just as much as they're paying for what your insurance company pays for.

If "employer pays for health insurance, insurance pays for contraceptives" equals "employer pays for contraceptives", then "employer pays me, I pay for car insurance" equals "employer pays for car insurance".

You work. They pay you the agreed amount. That's the deal.

But suddenly, it becomes the government's, and your employer's, business, what that money gets spent on, AFTER you've earned it.

At least, if it's something that the Republican Party doesn't like. (Like, women choosing NOT to get pregnant).

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I personally think employers should fire anyone who is overweight. Why should we pay for your fat ass?

---------- Post added March-14th-2012 at 08:41 PM ----------

Also, if you ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Fired. Actually, if you ride a motorcycle at all. Fired

---------- Post added March-14th-2012 at 08:43 PM ----------

Or if you own a gun. Fired. Statistics clearly show you are more likely to be shot if you own a gun.

Have a swimming pool in your backyard? Hahaha, you're fired *******.

I like this idea of not paying for things I don't like.

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I personally think employers should fire anyone who is overweight. Why should we pay for your fat ass?

---------- Post added March-14th-2012 at 08:41 PM ----------

Also, if you ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Fired. Actually, if you ride a motorcycle at all. Fired

---------- Post added March-14th-2012 at 08:43 PM ----------

Or if you own a gun. Fired. Statistics clearly show you are more likely to be shot if you own a gun.

Have a swimming pool in your backyard? Hahaha, you're fired *******.

I like this idea of not paying for things I don't like.

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Talking out of turn... That's a firin’. Looking out the window... That's a firin’. Staring at my sandals... That's a firin'. Paddling the school canoe...ooh, you better believe that's a firin’.

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twa

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I like this idea of not paying for things I don't like.

Freedom is good.

Others seem to like not paying for things they want and mandating others pay

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Viagra?....I see no need for it to be paid for and certainly not mandated free

Is health ins gonna pay for a bottle of wine and a hotel next?

Priorities are ****ed up

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Predicto

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Strangely enough, I have to agree with twa. The headline on the story appears misleading. The law is about employers being able to exclude birth control from their employees' health insurance coverage. Firing has little to do with it.

Nevertheless, the whole idea of this bill is extremely intrusive, and you better believe that women are going to be repulsed by the idea behind this bill. If that is a fight the GOP wants to have, then go for it. Seems like a bad move to me.

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TheMalcolmConnection

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Sigh. I hate politics. My wife and I are self-described independents, but the more I hear how closed-minded extra conservative people are, the more it drives us in the liberal direction. If 1 is liberal and 10 is conservative, we're a 3.5. I don't think that anyone can present a REAL argument for how this is a good idea without being totally hypocritical.

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Predicto

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Why should a employer be forced to pay or even provide health ins?

They shouldn't. We should have single payer health insurance. But of course, that idea is the pure devil to the GOP, so we are stuck with the system we have, which is primarily employer-provided health insurance.

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TheMalcolmConnection

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Strangely enough, I have to agree with twa. The headline on the story appears misleading. The law is about employers being able to exclude birth control from their employees' health insurance coverage. Firing has little to do with it.

Nevertheless, the whole idea of this bill is extremely intrusive, and you better believe that women are going to be repulsed by the idea behind this bill. If that is a fight the GOP wants to have, then go for it. Seems like a bad move to me.

OK, then I'll ask you because apparently the people who agree with this bill aren't getting my hints to reply... and I'll say it again, should insurance pay for Viagra? I say either pay for both, or don't pay for either (even though I lean towards birth control because it DOES have health benefits).

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Predicto

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OK, then I'll ask you because apparently the people who agree with this bill aren't getting my hints to reply... and I'll say it again, should insurance pay for Viagra? I say either pay for both, or don't pay for either (even though I lean towards birth control because it DOES have health benefits).

Health insurance should pay for health care. Both birth control and Viagra fall under that category, as far as I am concerned.

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zoony

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Freedom is good.

Others seem to like not paying for things they want and mandating others pay

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Viagra?....I see no need for it to be paid for and certainly not mandated free

Is health ins gonna pay for a bottle of wine and a hotel next?

Priorities are ****ed up

Clearly, we need a representative body serving our collective interest, not profits, to administer healthcare.

Btw, I love that you consistently take fantasy land positions just so you don't have to admit that you have your head up your own ass :silly:. There is absolutely nothing practical or remotely possible regarding your stance here. Which sort of falls in line with the modern day GOP

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twa

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OK cool. Thanks for the reply because apparently twa is not getting the hints, lol.

Whiskey is good for my heart.....and I want it

Just because it is a drug and effects health does not make it health care....but I wouldn't mind ya picking up the tab.

I like sex,contraception and sterilization,but that does not mean others should pay for mine....get the hint?

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Guest Spearfeather

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Strangely enough, I have to agree with twa. The headline on the story appears misleading. The law is about employers being able to exclude birth control from their employees' health insurance coverage. Firing has little to do with it.

Nevertheless, the whole idea of this bill is extremely intrusive, and you better believe that women are going to be repulsed by the idea behind this bill. If that is a fight the GOP wants to have, then go for it. Seems like a bad move to me.

Agree with the first part Predicto.

This poll is interesting, though.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57395832-503544/poll-most-say-employers-should-be-allowed-not-to-cover-contraception/

According to the poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 adults nationwide from March 7-11, 51 percent of Americans believe employers of any kind should be allowed to opt out of covering birth control for religious or moral reasons. Forty percent say all employers should have to cover contraceptive care.
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TheMalcolmConnection

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Whiskey is good for my heart.....and I want it

Just because it is a drug and effects health does not make it health care....but I wouldn't mind ya picking up the tab.

I like sex,contraception and sterilization,but that does not mean others should pay for mine....get the hint?

So you're consistent in that you would oppose paying for birth control AND Viagra? I would respect that opinion even though you currently do if you have employees. Where's the outcry for that?

---------- Post added March-15th-2012 at 01:18 AM ----------

Oh, he gets the hints. But he doesn't play the "straightforward response" game. At least not most of the time. :)

HA. Yeah, I typically don't post that often, but this is something that gets me fired up. Sure, the language in that article is a bit misleading, but approving of the premise behind it is just insane unless there are a LOT of other factors that the person must also agree to.

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twa

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So you're consistent in that you would oppose paying for birth control AND Viagra? I would respect that opinion even though you currently do if you have employees. Where's the outcry for that?

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The outcry is from those that have religious objections(which naturally do not extend to Viagra) and those opposed to the 'free' contraceptives.

Me?....I'm pissed critical meds come after contraceptives,which shows priorities are ****ed up.

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