TRADE Big Al?

[Dirk Diggler]

Last year, Big Al signed his (in)famous $100 million contract.

In reality, it was 2 contracts in 1. The first contract is for $48.2M over 4 years. If he's still playing at a high level come 2013, then the team can, if they wish, execute another contract with Haynesworth that would be a 3 year deal worth $51.8M with $20M guaranteed.

But let's focus on the first part of that contract, this Thursday he will receive a $21 million guaranteed bonus, which will bring his total money stol... errrr.... I mean... "earned" to $32 million for 1 year of play. What we're left with is a player who will have palatable base salaries of 3.6 and 5.4 million over the next 2 seasons. In 2013, he will likely still be effective and have a 6.7 million base salary.

QUESTION: Assuming Snyder can swallow his pride, bite the bullet and live with the fact that he paid a player who is fat, drunk, and stupid (

) $32 million for one year of service... does Big Al become a valuable commodity to trade????

Any other year, this is not even an option as all that bonus money would accelerate against the cap, making it simply impossible to move him without blowing up our entire team. But this isn't any other year - there's no salary cap. We can carry $1 billion in dead money.

So on one side of the scale, you have a 29 year old player who is only one year removed from being the best defensive player in the league and (to the team he is traded to) will come at a very nice price tag of $9 million in base salary over the next 2 seasons. He comes with no big bonus money so the team can cut him at any time if he becomes a pain in the ass. But he will likely play hard by 2011 at the latest because he will want to get the 2nd part of that contract.

So what's that worth? Could it be worth a 2nd rounder to a team that pursued him very hard last year like Tampa (imagine him paired with McCoy?) or Detroit (paired with Suh and coached by his old DC in Tenn)? Are you telling me Schwartz would mind having Suh, AH, and Vandenbosch meeting at the QB?

The Skins get a really good pick early in the 2nd round, and out from under AH's huge contract. They ship out a malcontent who doesn't want anything to do with a 3-4 defense and doesn't respect the new regime. Perhaps we use that 2nd rounder to draft a young NT or a solid Olineman to develop.

Is this too good to be true?

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

With no cap, I don't care what we are paying him. Even if there is a cap next year, due to the creative restructuring of his contract, there would need to be some kind of retrospective penalty for the skins to really be slammed by what would otherwise be Al's and Hall's huge 2010 cap numbers. The numbers for the next few years are much more cap friendly.

The guy was hurt off and on in 2009 and was perhaps misused by Blatche when he was playing. But with that said, on downs where Al was on the field, he was pretty good. Maybe not good enough to justify the salary under a salary cap setting. But with that factor gone, I'm fine with keeping him if only for the chance of seeing him playing healthy on a team with a more aggressive scheme.

[Yeen80]

I dont think Danny Boy will swallow his pride just yet

[kappaluvacee]

Not happening, he just did a restructured deal last week (Thursday) which converted some of his future money into a signing bonus with some voidable years. Albert received an out clause after next season where he can pay $18M of his signing bonus back to leave after next season.

Contrary to what many people here thought, the deal essentially keeps Al here or he can pay to leave for greener pastures. If he stays, his numbers will be more CAP friendly when the CAP returns after next season.

Al's no going anywhere unless he wants to pay. He'll be 32 after next season his new contract would ahve to guarantee him the $18M he's giving back plus some. Al's not going to risk that and no team is going to pay a 32 year old lineman that kind of money. Get used to Al!

I personally think he's well worth his contract. It's easy to point fingers at one guy when you're 4-12. For each person that calls him lazy or whatever, I wonder if they are equally crediting him for the success of Orakpo and A. Carter. The attention he requires made their jobs exponentially easier. Look at Carter's numbers in his tenure here. Didn't they balloon with Big Al on the line? Orakpo is a beast, but he's essentially playing the Jason Taylor position on that defense. Orakpo's numbers made Jason Taylor's numbers look like he wasthe rookie one year earlier. I too, give credit to Big Al for some of that success.

[MartinC]

Its fashionable to say that Al was a bust last year. He had some injuries and took some plays off but he was on the field for over 60% of the snaps in the games he played and when he was in there he was very effective indeed. We were very hard to run on especially in short yardage and our pass rush was MUCH better even though we were pretty vanilla from a scheme perspective.

Its no coincidence that Orakpo and Carter had 11 sacks each while teams were doubling Al inside.

We need more Pro Bowl calibre players on our roster not less. Plus buying high and selling low is not the way to get rich.

[mnb123]

There is a huge thread about this somewhere

[Hardcore Zornography]

Come on Digs, as someone who has been here since 2001, you should know that there was a monster thread or 4 on this same topic already.

[SkinFromNepal]

Its fashionable to say that Al was a bust last year. He had some injuries and took some plays off but he was on the field for over 60% of the snaps in the games he played and when he was in there he was very effective indeed. We were very hard to run on especially in short yardage and our pass rush was MUCH better even though we were pretty vanilla from a scheme perspective.

Its no coincidence that Orakpo and Carter had 11 sacks each while teams were doubling Al inside.

We need more Pro Bowl calibre players on our roster not less. Plus buying high and selling low is not the way to get rich.

You are correct about this... let's not call for his trade just to make a big news splash that we accustomed to.... Orakpo and Carter had all those sacks only due to AL in the middle... Orakpo was a rookie and I read in this site that Carter has noodle arms. AL is great we just needed a good coach to use him and manage him well.

[flexxskins]

There is a huge thread about this somewhere

There was this huge popular one.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=318904

[nebster21]

try 70% of plays that he was healthy for. As someone said there are other threads that point that he was in on 70% of the plays in games he played all of.

[Rufus T Firefly]

This team isn't going anywhere in 2010. After which point, Haynesworth realistically has 2 years left on his deal. Is a Super Bowl run in 2011 realistic? Are people really so put off by the notion of dealing him for picks vs. hanging onto him for a one or two year run of contention with Al hitting his 30s?

I'd see if the Rams would deal the #1 for Al and the #4.

[rk3025]

Let's hope he gives back 18 million and leaves next year so he will not have to get in good health and be able to play more than 2/3rds of the time.

try 70% of plays that he was healthy for. As someone said there are other threads that point that he was in on 70% of the plays in games he played all of.

[gatorskin77]

Its fashionable to say that Al was a bust last year. He had some injuries and took some plays off but he was on the field for over 60% of the snaps in the games he played and when he was in there he was very effective indeed. We were very hard to run on especially in short yardage and our pass rush was MUCH better even though we were pretty vanilla from a scheme perspective.

Its no coincidence that Orakpo and Carter had 11 sacks each while teams were doubling Al inside.

We need more Pro Bowl calibre players on our roster not less. Plus buying high and selling low is not the way to get rich.

Your are 100% correct people really need to stop with all the Haynesworth bashing and realize he was one of the few bright spots on the team during one of the most miserable seasons I can remember.

Even while being miss used by a retard that we called our d-coordinator he still had a really good season and helped 2 other guys get double digit sacks. He has not came out and said he want's nothing to do with the 3-4 he actually said as long as he's getting after the QB he'll play where ever they wan't him to. And as for the argument that he's lazy and he was allways on the sideline gasping for air their was a thread on that a couple months ago that someone actualy posted the numbers proving that to be bull **** he was actually on the field more than all but 2 DTs in the league last year.

[zoony]

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=319821