wvtbred Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Let me try it again. Sanchez was HORRID this year. NOBODY had to plan for him - he was their Sunday treat!!! Only 4 QBs in the league were worse! Sanchez was clearly not the reason for the running totals any more than Jake Delhomme was for Carolina's totals. If you had a point, it would have been based on decent QB play. Yet he gained invaluable experience and they still made it to the playoffs which is something Jason has never done. Time to draft another one because five years is long enough or let the kid on the roster have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolphinsGuy23 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The Redskins medical staff better be very concerned about drafting Sam Bradford. If they really want to draft him, they better get a bunch of second opinions about his shoulder. QB shoulder problems can be a crapshoot for your team. Because of Chad Pennington, Dolphins and Jets fans know all about the uncertainty you have to live with when your QB is prone to having shoulder problems. People used to call Chad "noodle arm" all the time. This season, Pennington was injured for the season for the THIRD time in his career because of his damned shoulder. It could be very frustrating for the fans if the Redskins drafted Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Teams genreally draft a QB when they need a QB and there is someone worth the pick. I think we need a QB. Is there someone worth the pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbsisgod2006 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Honestly I would be happy with either Okung or Samtastic Bradford. One thing Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper say all the time is that you take the QB over O line. The NFL is a QB driven league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Everybody keeps talking about how this is a new beginning and "the end of the status quo" and all of these things. Yet with all the problems with the offensive and secondary the vast majority of people say Sam Bradford or whoever the flavor of the month QB is will be the #4 pick. so tell me again how this is change and not the same old Skins? Cause in the past few decades the QB's we've drafted in the first round have been Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell. It may not be building the trenches like many feel we should, but it's not something we always do, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 If we draft a QB in the 1st with how bad this OL is, firing Vincenzo meant nothing. you are correct sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Honestly I would be happy with either Okung or Samtastic Bradford. One thing Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper say all the time is that you take the QB over O line. The NFL is a QB driven league. but really, after the beating Campbell took last year, don't you have to worry a rookie QB might not make it to year two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I've been hearing about this Clausen kid since he was in highschool. Maybe a little because of his brothers but he has always been highly regarded by the experts. Sam Bradford won the heisman as a sophmore. The experts said he would've been the No. 1 QB taken had he come out last year. They said this about Colt McCoy too. So is Jake Locker supposed to be better than these two?? Even if he is, there is no certainty we will be able to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbsisgod2006 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 but really, after the beating Campbell took last year, don't you have to worry a rookie QB might not make it to year two. Thats why you through Colt out their. But Really you can draft a tackle in the second and start him. Look at what the Falcons did two years ago they drafted Ryan with the third pick and moved up and took Tackle Sam Baker out of USC and I think that has turned out pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 but really, after the beating Campbell took last year, don't you have to worry a rookie QB might not make it to year two. half the hits Campbell takes are his own fault in some people's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 So we're a bad front office if we draft a QB in the first but other teams aren't?. Manning, Manning, Rivers, McNugget, you name it, were all drafted by bad teams that needed a QB. If you;re a rebuilding franchise without a QB you start with a centerpiece and build around it. Let him watch and learn for a year behind a vet and address the line in other rounds, FA and in 2011 draft because if we're in a major overhaul we'll really suck in 2010 and probably have a top 5 pick. Then get your anchorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 you are correct sir! Actually he is wrong. People remember Shanny uses smaller quicker OL for his blocking schemes which you can get later in the draft. He does not need to pick an OL with the top pick. Those are normally your massive OT's which will not fit in his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolphinsGuy23 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Honestly I would be happy with either Okung or Samtastic Bradford. One thing Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper say all the time is that you take the QB over O line. The NFL is a QB driven league. It all depends on who the 1st round QB is and who the 1st round LT is. That's why being an NFL scout or GM can be a damned tough job. Sometimes the "sure thing" top 5 guys end up being busts. GM's just hate it when that happens. Just look at all the hype that Reggie Bush got a few years ago coming out of USC. He hasn't done much with the Saints .. not enough to justify being #2 overall. Then there's #1 overall QB JaMarcus Russell with the Raiders. He's a bust if there ever was one. The "experts" fell in love with his big arm and sort of swept under the rug the other stuff ... being able to learn all the intricate details of running an offense, etc. It's those tiny details that make Peyton Manning a superstar. Peyton works his butt off to make it look as "easy" it does on TV. It's like being a superstar rock and roll guitarist. It's a lot harder than it seems to write the music and perform it "live" really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Manning' date=' Manning, Rivers, McNugget, you name it, were all drafted by bad teams that needed a QB. If you;re a rebuilding franchise without a QB you start with a centerpiece and build around it. Let him watch and learn for a year behind a vet and address the line in other rounds, FA and in 2011 draft because if we're in a major overhaul we'll really suck in 2010 and probably have a top 5 pick. Then get your anchorman.[/quote']Excellent post!!!! :eaglesuck:dallasuck:dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Actually he is wrong.People remember Shanny uses smaller quicker OL for his blocking schemes which you can get later in the draft. He does not need to pick an OL with the top pick. Those are normally your massive OT's which will not fit in his system. And this versus taking a 1st rounder means what? You have 4 holes on the OL, and at least 3 top 10 worthy OT that fit in a ZBS this year. Vinny would take Eric Berry or a QB. A savvy GM knows you have 3 QB's under contract and an OL made up of scrubs, and never will be's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciscofan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 So in other words, waste the pick. What's the difference between sitting a rookie and not taking one? How about actually drafting a player that would start?I know.. crazy talk! I guess even the older fans have no patience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciscofan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Sarcasm aside, a starting rookie QB with a sieve OL is IR bait. Ask Matthew Stafford.So the difference between a rookie QB on the bench, a rookie QB on IR because of a bad OL and a wasted 1st round pick is what exactly? Could you be more narrow minded? I guess the Packers allowing Rogers to sit and learn from Favre did little for them. Its not a wast, its an investment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Manning' date=' Manning, Rivers, McNugget, you name it, were all drafted by bad teams that needed a QB. If you;re a rebuilding franchise without a QB you start with a centerpiece and build around it. Let him watch and learn for a year behind a vet and address the line in other rounds, FA and in 2011 draft because if we're in a major overhaul we'll really suck in 2010 and probably have a top 5 pick. Then get your anchorman.[/quote']All of those teams had a solid OL when they drafted their QB's WE DO NOT. Making a centerpiece with no table to support it means your centerpiece comes crashing down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 All of those teams had a solid OL when they drafted their QB'sWE DO NOT. Making a centerpiece with no table to support it means your centerpiece comes crashing down! Again not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciscofan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 All of those teams had a solid OL when they drafted their QB'sWE DO NOT. Making a centerpiece with no table to support it means your centerpiece comes crashing down! No on is arguing that you need a solid OL in order for a QB to be successful, especially a young one. The argument is that you do not pass one position of need, for another for the sake of doing so. If Allen and Shanahan feel that Bradford is the best option based on what they feel the can build over the NEXT SEVERAL YEARS then they should do so. You are looking to fix things right now and not for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 All of those teams had a solid OL when they drafted their QB's I'll have to disagree with you. If we want to win for the long haul then get the trophy piece now, let him sit and learn and then build the line. Let Brennan take a beating in 2010 while we build the line and while the new QB learns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbsisgod2006 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 It all depends on who the 1st round QB is and who the 1st round LT is. That's why being an NFL scout or GM can be a damned tough job. Sometimes the "sure thing" top 5 guys end up being busts. GM's just hate it when that happens. Just look at all the hype that Reggie Bush got a few years ago coming out of USC. He hasn't done much with the Saints .. not enough to justify being #2 overall. Then there's #1 overall QB JaMarcus Russell with the Raiders. He's a bust if there ever was one. The "experts" fell in love with his big arm and sort of swept under the rug the other stuff ... being able to learn all the intricate details of running an offense, etc. It's those tiny details that make Peyton Manning a superstar. Peyton works his butt off to make it look as "easy" it does on TV. It's like being superstar rock and roll guitarist. It's a lot harder than it seems to write the music and perform it "live" really well. True but the same can be said of Raiders drafting Robert Gallery to play LT and he was so bad he got moved to guard same with Mike Williams too. Any position you draft is a roll of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Again not true. What part of logic escapes you? If you do not have an OL capable of blocking, you don't take a franchise QB. You get him killed. No team does this and wins. There is no evidence of teams with horrible OL taking franchise QB's early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBroChill Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 What's wrong with taking our highest pick and putting it to use with our highest need?Lineman get be found in other rounds much easier then a starting Franchise quarterback. If you don't have a franchise quarterback, the best lines in the league (see Minnesota pre FQB and Tampa Bay and the Jets) do you no better then an early playoff exit. The Skins with the hogs were the exception, not the rule. That being said, I think if winning right now is the priority, drafting a quarterback #1 is not the way to go. However, without a FQB, everything else is futile. The problem is QB is not our highest need. Statistically JC was the 15th best QB in the league last year. That's not bad. That is slightly above average. I wouldn't consider that our highest need. What are we expecting from whatever QB we draft to replace JC? I don't think it is realistic to just assume he will be the next Peyton Manning. Just look at the stats of the "franchise QBs" other teams have drafted or traded for in the past few years. JC out performed these guys: JaMarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Brady Quinn, Matt Ryan, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel. First round picks were given up for all of these guys. If we spent our first round pick on a QB, we are more likely to have him turn out like Matt Stafford than we are to have him turn out like Aaron Rodgers. Look at the stats and answer me this. Of all QBs in the NFL drafted in the past 5 years, how many outperformed JC this year, and how many did JC outperform? By my count JC was statistically better than 12 of them, and was only worse than 3. Those aren't odds I like. I'll take an improved O-Line and JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordac Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 What part of logic escapes you?If you do not have an OL capable of blocking, you don't take a franchise QB. You get him killed. No team does this and wins. There is no evidence of teams with horrible OL taking franchise QB's early. Troy Aikman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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