Jason C. - one more year would cost us $13 mil

[MrJL]

Looking yes, but are they looking to give up a First Round pick for a RFA tender, or a First and a Third for him? Seriously, I mean how many picks were given up in the Jay Cutler Trade?

"The Chicago Bears acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler in a trade on Thursday afternoon, giving up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009 to do it."

The bears got a 5th rounder out of it, so we could be talking a first and third, which is one first round pick basically from being what the Cutler Trade was. What team in their right mind would pay that in draft picks for JC? Even if they are looking for a QB, its not like he's Drew Brees.

Those that keep saying the multi million dollar deal are ignoring the picture, if he is a RFA, then you can tag him probably for around or under 3 mil for one season. Then a team has to match or exceed what we tender him at and if they do we can match, or let him go and take their draft picks in essence. I just don't buy though that any team would willingly give up 2 picks for JC. One mid round pick maybe, but maybe someone really falls in love with JC between now and the start of Free Agency.

Cutler isn't Brees either. He'd never really played that well.

[Justsomeguy]

No salary cap would mean he is a restricted free agent, making it unnecessary to give him that much money.

Exactly. Please close.

[SoCalSkins]

The Redskins will tender him at the 1st and 3rd level. Then they will seek to trade him to the highest bidder.

If there are no takers, they can simply cut him in the summer or keep him inactive each game and repeat the process the next year. A starter usually gets hurt somewhere during pre-season and there is a scramble to find an additional backup. He can be our TJ Duckett in reverse.

[Rufus T Firefly]

The Redskins will tender him at the 1st and 3rd level. Then they will seek to trade him to the highest bidder.

If there are no takers, they can simply cut him in the summer or keep him inactive each game and repeat the process the next year. A starter usually gets hurt somewhere during pre-season and there is a scramble to find an additional backup. He can be our TJ Duckett in reverse.

Well, we all know this is based on your feeling about Campbell, which is fine, and no need to argue it here.

But I highly doubt we're going to give him 3 mil+ and then cut him.

And we would not be able to "repeat the process" in 2011, as he would be Unrestricted at that point.

[loren]

Even if Jason Campbell was an unrestricted free agent, would we have to franchise him to get him to stay here? Call me crazy, and I'm not hating on him, but I don't think he's commanding top 5 money on the open market. I'm sure we'd have him for much cheaper than that.

[skinfan2k]

I got sources close to me saying that if Cowher comes back to Carolina next year he wants JC to run the downhill passing attack with the 2 big backs

[Rufus T Firefly]

I got sources close to me saying that if Cowher comes back to Carolina next year he wants JC to run the downhill passing attack with the 2 big backs

I have sources close to me as well. They say "meow".

I'll update you if they cough up any more info.

[loren]

I got sources close to me saying that if Cowher comes back to Carolina next year he wants JC to run the downhill passing attack with the 2 big backs

Wait, what? Sometimes I can't tell sometimes, is that a joke?

[SoCalSkins]

Well, we all know this is based on your feeling about Campbell, which is fine, and no need to argue it here.

But I highly doubt we're going to give him 3 mil+ and then cut him.

And we would not be able to "repeat the process" in 2011, as he would be Unrestricted at that point.

Depends what the parameters of a new labor deal are. There is no framework for 2011. What he would be in 2011 is unknown.

Offering him the tender would not require him to sign it, which he won't want to do at all. He would prefer a longer term deal elsewhere. If there is no deal for him, the Redskins could withdraw the tender and make him unrestricted. Which makes no sense for the Skins.

Regardless of the tender, they would have to substitute it with an offer for 110% of his 2009 salary to keep his rights after June 15. So the initial tender will be for the 1st and 3rd tier because he will get more than that offered to him on June 15 or would be unrestricted.

Barring a trade, which both sides likely will want to facilitate by the draft, he will likely hold out into the regular season and sign the offer the last week to accrue an extra year of service.

If the Redskins want him to be their starting QB opening day, they will have to give him a multi-year deal. Otherwise he will be a holdout. Only way he signs a 1 year deal and goes to camp is if there is zero interest in him elsewhere.

[acuratl1984]

Would we just like RFA Tender him like a 2nd or 3rd rounder, no one would give that up for him imo. If they do H TO THE YEA!! ILL TAKE THAT PICK!

[KokoMike]

Would we just like RFA Tender him like a 2nd or 3rd rounder, no one would give that up for him imo. If they do H TO THE YEA!! ILL TAKE THAT PICK!

The no cap restricted free agent offer for his class is about $1.5 million for one year. With that offer, a team signing him would have to give up the equivalence of his initial draft status, a 1st round pick. We would have the right to match any offer.

[KokoMike]

Here is some info on the CBA and free agents for this upcoming offseason. You'll note that we can raid the playoff teams, which we should do.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/5/20/523809/nfl-owners-opt-out-of-cba

[Rufus T Firefly]

Depends what the parameters of a new labor deal are. There is no framework for 2011. What he would be in 2011 is unknown.

Offering him the tender would not require him to sign it, which he won't want to do at all. He would prefer a longer term deal elsewhere. If there is no deal for him, the Redskins could withdraw the tender and make him unrestricted. Which makes no sense for the Skins.

Regardless of the tender, they would have to substitute it with an offer for 110% of his 2009 salary to keep his rights after June 15. So the initial tender will be for the 1st and 3rd tier because he will get more than that offered to him on June 15 or would be unrestricted.

Barring a trade, which both sides likely will want to facilitate by the draft, he will likely hold out into the regular season and sign the offer the last week to accrue an extra year of service.

If the Redskins want him to be their starting QB opening day, they will have to give him a multi-year deal. Otherwise he will be a holdout. Only way he signs a 1 year deal and goes to camp is if there is zero interest in him elsewhere.

There is no reason at all to think 6 year players would be RFAs under a new CBA, so I don't see the point of assuming they will be.

You're making a lot of assumptions about Campbell not signing his tender. Players sign them all the time. Last year, Jahri Evans, probably the most valuable RFA on the market, signed his in April.

[SoCalSkins]

Would we just like RFA Tender him like a 2nd or 3rd rounder, no one would give that up for him imo. If they do H TO THE YEA!! ILL TAKE THAT PICK!

Regardless of the tender, he would have to be offered 110% of his 2009 salary by June 15 otherwise he would be a free agent. That is 3.2 million they would have to offer so they would do it from day 1 to have more leverage over him.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Here is some info on the CBA and free agents for this upcoming offseason. You'll note that we can raid the playoff teams, which we should do.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/5/20/523809/nfl-owners-opt-out-of-cba

Playoff teams would be restricted from signing outside FAs, not their own, so I'm not sure we can "raid" them.

I did a thread on Free Agents to be under the capped and uncapped year scenarios. It's a pretty sad list in an uncapped year. Right here, if you're interested:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=310078

Although that link you provided says teams would get 3 tags, not 2, contrary to what I've heard elsewhere.

[SoCalSkins]

There is no reason at all to think 6 year players would be RFAs under a new CBA, so I don't see the point of assuming they will be.

You're making a lot of assumptions about Campbell not signing his tender. Players sign them all the time. Last year, Jahri Evans, probably the most valuable RFA on the market, signed his in April.

They could also use a transition tag on him if he was an UFA.

A 1st rd. QB who started over 50 games for a team is not going to sign a tender unless he thinks he is complete garbage. Why would he take the same deal as a 4th rd. pick guard unless there is no interest in him whatsoever? Even Rock thought he could do better before he came crawling back. No chance Jason's agent lets him sign a tender before the season starts. He is prepping dvds of the Saints highlights to mail out.

If Campbell plays with similar stats the next 4 and we still lose each game, that would be ideal. Increase his trade value and keep our draft pick higher.

[Rufus T Firefly]

They could also use a transition tag on him if he was an UFA.

A 1st rd. QB who started over 50 games for a team is not going to sign a tender unless he thinks he is complete garbage. Why would he take the same deal as a 4th rd. pick guard unless there is no interest in him whatsoever? Even Rock thought he could do better before he came crawling back. No chance Jason's agent let's him sign a tender before the season starts. He is prepping dvd's of the Saints highlights to mail out.

If Campbell plays with similar stats the next 4 and we still lose each game, that would be ideal. Increase his trade value and keep our draft pick higher.

The transition tag is where the 13 mil dollar number in this thread came from. So, now you want to keep a player inactive for 16 games, guarantee him a $13 million salary, and then trade him. :laugh:

Evans, regardless of where he was drafted, is considered by many to be the best G in the game. And yet he, like numerous other RFAs, signed his tender early. Maybe Campbell wouldn't, but again, there's no reason to automatically assume he wouldn't.

[stickyshooZ]

Money is a primary concern for this team??

[cphil006]

No salary cap would mean he is a restricted free agent, making it unnecessary to give him that much money.

...and would that mean we have the right to match any offer from another team or receive a draft choice??

[Newera]

He will be tendered. At least get something for him. If not he's back on the team as insurance.

[Whiskeypeet]

Why does anyone care how much he is paid in an uncapped year? I guess chemistry, and the perception of other players on the team, might be an issue but otherwise why does it matter?

[Rufus T Firefly]

Our 2010 FAs. I don't see a franchise guy in the lot:

Jason Campbell

Todd Yoder

Stephon Heyer (RFA)

Phillip Daniels

Anthony Montgomery

Kedric Golston

Rocky McIntosh

Robert Thomas

Carlos Rogers

Reed Doughty

Shaun Suisham

Hunter Smith

Lorenzo Alexander (RFA)

Forgot to mention earlier, Rabach is a FA as well.

[SoCalSkins]

The transition tag is where the 13 mil dollar number in this thread came from. So, now you want to keep a player inactive for 16 games, guarantee him a $13 million salary, and then trade him. :laugh:

We are talking about 2011. If it actually got to that point, it would be personal. Dan would have shipped him a plasma and lifetime supply of toilet paper by then.

The transition salary is not guaranteed. The skins could simply cut him after the last pre-season game if he had signed it or withdraw the tag if he hadn't.

That would be the equivalent of the Al Davis doghouse he had for Marcus Allen. However, it would never get to that point. He will be dealt this off season prior to preseason.

...and would that mean we have the right to match any offer from another team or receive a draft choice??

He will get a 1st and 3rd rd tender in all likelihood. Skins would be stupid to offer less because they will have to offer more than that if he doesn't sign it by June. No team will sign him to a contract for a 1st and 3rd. If they did, it would be better than Carolina signing Sean Gilbert.

A team will probably instead negotiate with him on contract terms and setup a trade with the Redskins. Tendering him for less, would only limit the Redskins leverage if there happened to be a market for him all of a sudden.

[Rufus T Firefly]

We are talking about 2011. If it actually got to that point, it would be personal. Dan would have shipped him a plasma and lifetime supply of toilet paper by then.

The transition salary is not guaranteed. The skins could simply cut him after the last pre-season game if he had signed it or withdraw the tag if he hadn't.

That would be the equivalent of the Al Davis doghouse he had for Marcus Allen. However, it would never get to that point. He will be dealt this off season prior to preseason.

If you sign a transition tender, it IS guaranteed. The rest of this is just silliness, naturally.

[SoCalSkins]

If you sign a transition tender, it IS guaranteed. The rest of this is just silliness, naturally.

The franchise tender is guaranteed if it is signed by the player. The transition tender is not.

A player with 4 or more years of experience making the team and being on the regular season roster for a game is guaranteed his base salary for the year. If the Redskins were to use a transition tag on JC in 2011 and cut him before week 1, they would not owe him anything.