JimmiJo Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/29/skins-avoided-1-million-roster-bonus-by-cutting-jansen/ ‘Skins Avoided $1 Million Roster Bonus By Cutting Jansen A league source tells us that, in addition to the $1.35 million base salary the Redskins won’t be paying to recently-cut tackle Jon Jansen, the team also is off the hook for a $1 million roster bonus. The bonus would have been earned if Jansen had been on the roster as of July 1. Jansen also was scheduled to earn a $150,000 workout bonus. Assuming he was on track to satisfy the required percentage of participation in offseason drills to trigger the payment, a grievance could be pursued, if the ‘Skins don’t pay him the money. Jansen’s argument would be that he would have earned the bonus, that he substantially complied with his end of the bargain, and that he was prevented from getting to the goal by no action or fault of his own. The move clears up a total of $2.35 million in cap space, but that amount will be offset by any bonus acceleration applicable to the final two years of his contract — 2010 and 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kappaluvacee Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I understand the business decision, but I'm going to miss him being a member of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Quite honestly, these are the types of moves that we haven't made recently. We give Eagle fans a hard time because their FO is willing to let older, declining players walk, but it's the right move sometimes. Our answer, on the other hand has been to defer the cap hit as long as possible and then find ourselves locked into 35-year old players! Tough to happen to the face of the team for the early 2000s, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The move clears up a total of $2.35 million in cap space, but that amount will be offset by any bonus acceleration applicable to the final two years of his contract — 2010 and 2011. So what is the offset? I keep hearing $900K flying around. Does that mean the bonus for his final two years was $2.25 mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I hope this had more to do with being impressed by Heyer, Williams, Bridges, and Rinehart than it did with the million bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Is it possible that although we took a cap hit, the cap hit would have been $1 million more had we waited? Meaning we really didn't save a million dollars, but rather it hurt us $1 million less than it could have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWCREDSKINS Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I understand the business decision, but I'm going to miss him being a member of this team. I agree, I hope he still makes apperances in the DC area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Well that makes some sense as to why we would do it now. But I still think they must like what they see in Heyer, Williams, and Bridges if they cut him now. We've barely gotten into the OTAs and they cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I hope this had more to do with being impressed by Heyer, Williams, Bridges, and Rinehart than it did with the million bucks. Maybe it was that jansen didn't look any better than Heyer, Williams and Bridges, so they went with youth and saved some money in the process? lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Well that makes some sense as to why we would do it now. But I still think they must like what they see in Heyer, Williams, and Bridges if they cut him now. We've barely gotten into the OTAs and they cut him. Well only Williams is someone who you're not sure what you have... Heyer has been here for 2 years and Bridges is almost 30 and has played for the Panthers for several years. They probably had a good idea they'd make this move unless something was going terribly wrong with those 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 So what is the offset? I keep hearing $900K flying around. Does that mean the bonus for his final two years was $2.25 mil? http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm I think with the $1m bonus added, His cap # goes from $4.4m to $6.2m. But it does save $2.3m actual cash this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speardog1 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Making room for Vick I suppose..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I'm worried about the move, the redskins have to be planning something else, maybe a trade, I don't know. Heyer is a good solid player but I would have still liked to keep Jansen, just because of depth. What really makes me wonder about this whole thing is the fact that they could have let him go sooner and made a play for some of the other Tackles that were out there. Maybe they went up to Jansen and said he would be a backup this year and he didn't like the sound of that so he asked for his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Making room for Vick I suppose..... Come on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Well only Williams is someone who you're not sure what you have...Heyer has been here for 2 years and Bridges is almost 30 and has played for the Panthers for several years. They probably had a good idea they'd make this move unless something was going terribly wrong with those 3... That's a good point. I guess they believe Williams can regain his form and be a valuable guy on the OL. I'm sad to see Jansen go, but at the same time we do need to get younger. I know Bridges and Williams aren't exactly young, but Heyer definetley is and we know he can be productive when he is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan93 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The writing was on the wall for the last couple years with Jansen. I appreciate his contributions but it was time for him to go. They tried playing him along the line during minicamp to see if he would be adequate at a spot other than tackle and obviously that didn't work out. If Williams (cross our fingers) works out, then we would have him or Bridges starting (the other as backup) and Heyer as the other backup. I'm fine with situation. If it doesn't work out, there are other veteran tackles out on the market who still hasn't been signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBurgNGold Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jansen simply was not up for the job anymore. He should have called it quits a year ago. His injuries/age took a serious toll on him. That pre-season game last season against the Panthers was a huge sign of what was coming. I'll miss Jon though. HTTR:helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It was fun reading some of the financial wizards in the other thread pissing and moaning about the money we lost and disadvantages of doing it now when they (per usual) really don't have sufficient understanding of "how it works" or even enough lay information to know wtf they're yapping about anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That's a good point. I guess they believe Williams can regain his form and be a valuable guy on the OL. I'm sad to see Jansen go, but at the same time we do need to get younger. I know Bridges and Williams aren't exactly young, but Heyer definetley is and we know he can be productive when he is in there. Exactly! And compared to a 33-year old, injury-prone Jansen...they seem like rookies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The writing was on the wall for the last couple years with Jansen. I appreciate his contributions but it was time for him to go.They tried playing him along the line during minicamp to see if he would be adequate at a spot other than tackle and obviously that didn't work out. If Williams (cross our fingers) works out, then we would have him or Bridges starting (the other as backup) and Heyer as the other backup. I'm fine with situation. If it doesn't work out, there are other veteran tackles out on the market who still hasn't been signed. I totally agree with this, Good post. It is exactly the type of move many wanted the FO to make but didn't think they had the balls to do so. Either based on (over) loyalty or the cap hit. Good luck JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuterBanksTarHeel Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't think Williams had anything to do with Jansen being cut; they probably felt like Heyer and Bridges would both be better than Jansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It was fun reading some of the financial wizards in the other thread pissing and moaning about the money we lost and disadvantages of doing it now when they (per usual) really don't have sufficient understanding of "how it works" or even enough lay information to know wtf they're yapping about anyway. Well, we did "lose" money(or cap space) and there are disadvantages to making this move now. However, the FO felt the advantages outweighed the lost cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It was fun reading some of the financial wizards in the other thread pissing and moaning about the money we lost and disadvantages of doing it now when they (per usual) really don't have sufficient understanding of "how it works" or even enough lay information to know wtf they're yapping about anyway. For some of us, the actual challenge is remembering to do $ instead of £ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSkins Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 what's a $1 million to snyder, how much is haynesworth deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 This is a wakeup call to the OL.. We need em to step it up this year "its your motherfn wake up call!" -Snot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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