shakinaiken Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Being at today's miserably cold game, one thing really stuck out at me: games are won in the trenches. This sentiment has been repeated often, though i was never able to witness a better example of it, till I saw the New York Giants completley manhandle the redskins. Wait you say we need recievers? need cornerbacks? But this guy runs a sub 4.4, we should definitly draft him, right???? No, o lne and d line.. and thats it. i mean when it comes down to it, who the hell is Derek Ward? or Ahmad Bradshaw? or Dominic Hixson? who is Kevin Boss? yeah i dont know either, but they look really good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Co-sign!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CakeMan 89 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I don't think we need d-tackles. I like Anthony M, Kedric G, and Cornelius Griffin. We need pass rushers. I like Andre Carter but he doesn't seem like he's fast enough. Jason Taylor has been the bust that we feared he would be. The O-line needs a complete makeover. Sit Jansen and start Heyer, I think he's a real find for the O-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent19 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 No more vinny, no more vinny, no more vinny, no more vinny........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 This draft - only O-line and D-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 our replacement for Kendall is already in house. We won't have good enough draft slot for a stud DE. However, we will have the kind of draft slot for a good RT or Center. Samuels will be replaced in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard86 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 if vinny watched this game and still didn't think we need to radically improve the d-line then he will never get it and we will never be better than average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Vinny can't read. but if he could, i'm sure he might see the errors of his ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 The Oline shift can be made quickly if done properly. Insert Heyer as the RT and Rinehart as LG. Draft a new center and maybe you can see progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 It's been time for 5 years. If we had allocated a couple of high draft picks to quality OL/DL each year, we'd have a replenished stable of studs ready to take jobs away from the aging vets. Instead, we haven't drafted a 1st or 2nd round OL or DL in nearly a decade!!! Meanwhile we've thrown away draft picks in every desperation move imaginable from Duckett to J. Taylor to Lloyd etc... The result is that both lines get dominated, and now we have to start rebuilding both on the fly, in a year where we have no 2nd or 4th round picks. This is a horrible, horrible front office coming home to roost. The worst news is that our division rivals are brilliant at placing draft emphasis on the lines, and are destroying us as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 You're definitely right about the game being won in the trenches. That's how most games play out. Draft a d-lineman Vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I don't think we need d-tackles. I like Anthony M, Kedric G, and Cornelius Griffin. We need pass rushers. I like Andre Carter but he doesn't seem like he's fast enough. Jason Taylor has been the bust that we feared he would be. The O-line needs a complete makeover. Sit Jansen and start Heyer, I think he's a real find for the O-Line. We need DT's who get pressure up the middle. Griffin is getting old and the other two aren't anything special. It is time to draft o line and d line. Alot of em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobra860 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 We need DT's who get pressure up the middle. Griffin is getting old and the other two aren't anything special.It is time to draft o line and d line. Alot of em! I agree! We need to build the O-Line. We already have plenty of receivers and our secondary looks deep enough with the addition of DeAngelo Hall. H.B. Blades looks to be a good replacement for Washington. However, the D-Line needs a big DE for run support because almost all of the young DEs we have are only good for passing downs. However I think Montgomery will be a great run stopping DT but I just hope he improves his work ethic because that was one of his weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, and Mathias Kiwanuka... What do they all have in common? 1. They're all members of a division rival, the Giants. 2. They all have super bowl rings. 3. They all play at weights greater than 265lbs (although some sites say differently). 4. They can pass rush AND play the run. 5. They all were drafted by the Giants. 6. They were all drafted in the third round and above. 7. They all have, or are on pace to have, 10+ sack seasons. Vinny Cerrato has said publicly that he avoids drafting D-Lineman (particularly defensive ends) high in the draft, if at all. Vinny Cerrato needs to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 BTW, since Vinny has been a part of the Redskins organization (2000), we have drafted three lineman (offensive or defensive) in the first three rounds: Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, and Chad Rinehart. The Giants have drafted eight: Jay Alford, Mathias Kiwanuka, Justin Tuck, Chris Snee, William Joseph (bust), Osi Umenyiora, Jeff Hatch (bust), and Cornelius Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Thats how the Skins won back iin the day. Dominant offensive and defensive lines. Drafting them. Most consistent good teams do. The Skins somehow believe in retreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U C S D SkinsFan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 how the hell does vinny c. still have a job? i guess he's making good business moves and filling up snyder's bank account. any idiot can see the football flaws of our teams the last 10 years. its very frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGnificent Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 i didnt know we had an O-line anymore, i havent seen them in weeks...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 First off I would like to say this is my first time replying to posts. I have been a redskin fan for a few years now, and have looked at this board a couple of years now. I have to say I really enjoy reading everyone's post( negative or positive). I have to totally agree with both lines needing some help. Rhinehart and Heyer should be very good in a year or too. But I think it is time to get younger. We need draft picks. Alot of you probably won't like this but one way of getting draft picks would be to trade Samuels and portis while their stock is pretty high and get some good picks in return. I love both of them, but their value is good right now. If we would trade portis one option would be Shonn Greene from Iowa. I have watched this kid all year and he has alot of energy, with alot of power and good speed for his size. When he gets hit he doesn't just go down he fights until they team up on him. Very impressive back . I am like alot of you we need to concentrate on the draft more, get younger and hopefully turn this franchise into something everybody know it can be. No matter how bad things get I will always be a redskin fan. I am sorry for not having proper paragraphs and stuff, but this is my first time on here, and I will get better at this just like the redskins will get better as a football franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Hoosier Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 So you want the Redskins to draft a person from your school so you can root for them on your team and say... "I know that guy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 not at all, thought he could be a very good player here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I am not trying to turn the skins into the hawkeyes, just think this kid will be special in the Nfl. I love players with fight and show energy on every play. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I see two needs on the line for next year: 1. A center who can block 2. A DT who can get regular penetration and draw double-teams. We have a couple of young guys on the OL in Heyer and Reinhart and we are probably pretty good at DE right now. Problem is we have no one in the middle who scares anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I would also like them to get rid of M. Washington and get a younger lb in here. Fletcher could be a hell of a tutor to Rocky and another young guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill1952 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 BTW' date=' since Vinny has been a part of the Redskins organization (2000), we have drafted three lineman (offensive or defensive) in the first three rounds: Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, and Chad Rinehart.The Giants have drafted eight: Jay Alford, Mathias Kiwanuka, Justin Tuck, Chris Snee, William Joseph (bust), Osi Umenyiora, Jeff Hatch (bust), and Cornelius Griffin.[/quote']Don't give Vinny credit for Samuels. He was drafted in 1999, before Vinny. Whoever drafted Samuels deserves some credit. Whoever failed to draft any first or second round linemen since 1999 deserves to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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