DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 After 7 games, our offense is 20th in scoring, but 7th in yards per game. So what's the reason for the discrepancy? Are we getting junk yards in the 4th quarter? Are we shooting ourself in the foot on our drives? Is it the new offensive philosophy? I don't have any answers, but I didn't need to look at the stats to tell me that we move the ball well, but have a hard time scoring.... NAME YDS YPG RUSH RPG PASS PYPG PTS PTS/G Washington 2475 353.6 1107 158.1 1368 195.4 140 20.0 Just for comparison, here is where we finished in rankings over the past several years Year YPG PPG 2002 20th 25th 2003 23th 22th 2004 30th 31th 2005 11th 13th 2006 13th 20th 2007 15th 18th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Is that English or is that Matrix coding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Is that English or is that Matrix coding? You don't read binary code? The **** formatting of tables always gets screwed up....I'm trying to fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 After 7 games, our offense is 20th in scoring, but 7th in yards per game. So what's the reason for the discrepancy?Are we getting junk yards in the 4th quarter? Are we shooting ourself in the foot on our drives? Is it the new offensive philosophy? I don't have any answers, but I didn't need to look at the stats to tell me that we move the ball well, but have a hard time scoring.... NAME YDS YPG RUSH RPG PASS PYPG PTS PTS/G Washington 2475 353.6 1107 158.1 1368 195.4 140 20.0 7 games ...new offense...We have scored more than the opponent in 5 games.. Also...Teams are building their book on Zorn and scores will come a lil slower. So long as we score one point more than them...It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I would like to know how many times we have looked downfield this season. I mean, passes of 20+ yards IN THE AIR. I like the short passing game that gives this team some ability to control the ball but at some point you need to test secondaries down field. EEspecially horrible ones. If you can't or won't, I have to start wondering why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 We have been running more than usual the past couple of games. I know its working, and this game JC was playing hurt so there was a strategy involved. If JC is fine, I think we will see a lot more passing and a sense of urgency to score against the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Its a function of being a running team. When you run you control the ball and the clock but you shorten the game. This means that you get fewer possesions and hence less opportunities to score. If you then have to settle for FG's rather than TD's that further reduces your scoring. Its not a bad thing though in that you give fewer opportunities for the opposition to score as well. What we have to do is continue to protect the football, turnover will kill us (see the Rams game) and get better at finishing drives off with TD's not FG's. Teams are going to have to put 8 men in the box on us soon like they did to teh Vikings late last year. When that happens watch out because Jason Campbell is NOT Tavaris Jackson and Moss, Cooley and ARE will kill some team at some point against the single coverage they are going to see more and more of as teams try to stop Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 I want to believe that scoring is going to increase, but we had similar problems under Gibbs 2.0 - our offense was ranked highly in yards, but had a hard time scoring....does it have to do with our personnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Wait until our offense starts finishing drives. The NFC is screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Its a function of being a running team. When you run you control the ball and the clock but you shorten the game. This means that you get fewer possesions and hence less opportunities to score. If you then have to settle for FG's rather than TD's that further reduces your scoring. Its not a bad thing though in that you give fewer opportunities for the opposition to score as well. What we have to do is continue to protect the football, turnover will kill us (see the Rams game) and get better at finishing drives off with TD's not FG's. Teams are going to have to put 8 men in the box on us soon like they did to teh Vikings late last year. When that happens watch out because Jason Campbell is NOT Tavaris Jackson and Moss, Cooley and ARE will kill some team at some point against the single coverage they are going to see more and more of as teams try to stop Portis. I understand what you are trying to say, but this still doesn't fully address the stats - It shouldn't matter how you get the yards or how long you possess the ball. If you get 380 yards and only 17 points, then most of your yards are between the 30s (outside field goal range). If you are getting almost 400 yards and only 3-4 scores, then you must continually have ~40 yard drives that chew up yards, but don't end in points.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The team is not efficient offensively and really hasn't been all season. The reason is, obviously, the passing game is just not totally clicking right now. It's moving in fits and starts. Running the ball as the team has been is great and does wonders for establishing a physical identity, but to score large amounts of offensive points requires a well-functioning passing game. Hopefully, this will evolve as the season progresses, but you would have liked to have seen them have a true breakout game and start gaining more consistent traction with it. I guess the NO game was pretty productive, but the passing attack just seems to be operating in fits and starts right now. You can see the potential, but it just doesn't move as crisply as it needs to. I think the success of the running game has given Zorn a crutch until he gets more comfortable throwing the ball. I mean, DAMN!!!! Portis and his blockers are just plain balling right now. It seems like anything under 5 yards is a letdown. I love seeing it, but the passing game has to start complementing this dominating rushing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Last week we killed in yardage, but turned the ball over. Only game which was that bad. We drive and drive fine... but we can't finish it out... we get field goals... lots of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Wait until our offense starts finishing drives. The NFC is screwed I hope you are right....but many fans were saying the same type of thing over the past 3-4 years, and it never materialized... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeNJeff01 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I am concerned about our lack of points. I mean I believe that you have put up points to survive the long haul of the season. yes a win is a win but I just think more points would help us in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I understand what you are trying to say, but this still doesn't fully address the stats -It shouldn't matter how you get the yards or how long you possess the ball. If you get 380 yards and only 17 points, then most of your yards are between the 30s (outside field goal range). If you are getting almost 400 yards and only 3-4 scores, then you must continually have ~40 yard drives that chew up yards, but don't end in points.... Thats about turning the ball over against the Rams 3 time in scoring position. scoring FG's not TD against the Eagles and the Cowboys to a lesser extent. Also as well as the D is playing they have not created many short fields for the O. The score in the 1st quarter against the Rams is th eonly one I can think of off the top of my head. Lets see how it plays out over the next 3 or 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Thats about turning the ball over against the Rams 3 time in scoring position. scoring FG's not TD against the Eagles and the Cowboys to a lesser extent. Also as well as the D is playing they have not created many short fields for the O. The score in the 1st quarter against the Rams is th eonly one I can think of off the top of my head. Lets see how it plays out over the next 3 or 4 games. I still agree with my previous post, BUT, I think you are right in that the lack of takeaways plays a part too. We have not had many short fields! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagletooth Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think it is a function of the game plan to some extent. We have yet to develop the big receiver who can add another dimension in the passing attack. Campbell is doing an awesome job managing, and at times making plays. CP and the run game is the foundation. JC, as well as he is playing, and protecting the ball, should be able to convert enough of the 3rd and manageable situations, and then capitalize on play action opportunities. I think that is the formula that most plays to our strengths for now. Maybe when Thomas or Kelly are ready we will come out in a spread formation, and go no huddle, and attack. I think we will have that in our arsenal, but I would expect the run, and short passing game to continue to be our bread and butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Definitely not getting junk yards in the 4th as junk yards occur when either you've out the other team away or been put away by the 4th. For the decade, we've always had scoring problems. In 2000, 2005, 2006 and 2007, we had an above average offense in terms of yards but were well below average in scoring. Its a combination of things including inconsistent RZ performance, lack of short field opportunities, lack of defensive/special team scores and lack of big-play capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live4burgandyandgold Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The cleveland browns have a pretty highly ranked secondary (pass defense) i think that might of also had something to do with why the ball was run so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Too many of our drives are ending in field goals. I would say that is the main problem. Also, the Rams game was pretty bad for having promising drives get killed by penalties and turnovers. Our team commits a lot of penalties it seems. Especially holds and false starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Definitely not getting junk yards in the 4th as junk yards occur when either you've out the other team away or been put away by the 4th. For the decade, we've always had scoring problems. In 2000, 2005, 2006 and 2007, we had an above average offense in terms of yards but were well below average in scoring. Its a combination of things including inconsistent RZ performance, lack of short field opportunities, lack of defensive/special team scores and lack of big-play capability. I agree with your assessment, but it's frustrating to realize that we've had multiple player groups, coaches, and offensive philosophy's over that period of time, but the same result? It would be great if there was a consistant thread that we could try to go after and fix, but I don't know what it would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEREALTOR1 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Weren't we in to week 6 or 7 of last year (against Philly I believe), before we actually had a passing TD, (to Thrash if I recall). I'd say were much improved on scoring this year. Sure were not setting the world on fire, but were not spending the entire game running between the 20's either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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