Ghost of Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Warren Sapp intentionally blind sighted a guy in Green Bay when the Bucs picked off a pass. He intentionally did it to keep that GB player from tackling his own corner.Is that not dirty, too? That you're trying to compare two totally different actions, situations AND results is ridiculous. Tackling someone like you would a ball carrier in probably the most gentle way there is in football (grabbing around the legs and bringing them down) is nothing like Sapp's shot at Clifton and you know it. Also, it's not dirty because there was no intent, no subterfuge, no viciousness or malice involved. Dirty would have to be ONE of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTikiITrust Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 That you're trying to compare two totally different actions, situations AND results is ridiculous. Tackling someone like you would a ball carrier in probably the most gentle way there is in football (grabbing around the legs and bringing them down) is nothing like Sapp's shot at Clifton and you know it. Also, it's not dirty because there was no intent, no subterfuge, no viciousness or malice involved. Dirty would have to be ONE of those things. I know, but I don't think "intent" is a good enough reason to say it wasn't dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Nice! Now can you do the same for the play just before that? The one where he kicks Washington as he gets up after the tackle. All I know if I was Marcus Washington there would be 15 on me. That was an absolute ***** slap. That is just crossing the line of manly behavior. If you get slapped in the face like that, there's nothing else you can do. You have to fight. I would have been useless the rest of the night until I got mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Sounds like he was "tattling". What I saw on that play was a lineman protecting his quarterback, and as the play completed, he got the ankle. I then saw him immediately notify about it. Whiners are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I know, but I don't think "intent" is a good enough reason to say it wasn't dirty. I didn't list intent only, though, if you'll notice. No malice, no intent, no viciousness, nothing beyond the pale of predictable and usually safe behavior. This is not some kind of savage facemask, diving at knees or anything. it's taking someone down in what is probably the most gentle way you can in football, other than pushing someone who's already off balance. Again, for the cementheaded---it wasn't a dirty play. You Giants fans are merely being partisan, not objective. If Samuels had grabbed Tuck's facemask or DOVE at his knees or put a helmet in his back or under his chin or horsecollared him (or basically a dozen other things) THEN you can level that charge. Since it played out as it DID, then it can't be called dirty. Breaking a rule is not in and of itself dirty. Otherwise tackling a receiver in EXACTLY the same way who is headed to a wide open TD that will cost you the game is 'dirty.' It's not. And in this case, Samuels was protecting his QB from a kill shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refhaf4L Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Warren Sapp intentionally blind sighted a guy in Green Bay when the Bucs picked off a pass. He intentionally did it to keep that GB player from tackling his own corner.Is that not dirty, too? no it wasn't???? that was a legal hit from what I remember...Should he have hit him softer--take that s&@% to the canadian league. Same thing happened to Shawn Springs against the Eagles a couple of years ago...I don't remember any cheap shot accusations being thrown around by him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 no it wasn't???? that was a legal hit from what I remember...Should he have hit him softer--take that s&@% to the canadian league. Same thing happened to Shawn Springs against the Eagles a couple of years ago...I don't remember any cheap shot accusations being thrown around by him... That Sapp hit was completely 100% legit. The fact that it happened to a OL who wasn't near the play was what pissed the Pack off. Don't they tell you in freakin pee wee football to keep your 'head on a swivel' out there? That OL didn't and Sapp made sure he was knocked out of the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 All of you making fun of Kiwanuka are absolute hypocrites. If this role was reversed and Taylor was on the receiving end of a cheap shot (whether intentional or not), you'd be up in arms. Sometimes I shake my head.... That being said, it was a dirty play. However, I have no doubt Samuels was trying to protect his QB from a devastating hit rather than trying to injure the opposing player, and the ankle injury was far from intended. Regardless, everyone calling Kiwanuka a liar/sissy/whatever are full of crap. Your stance would be opposite if it was a 'Skin on the receiving end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papabear Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 That's what happens in TACKLE FOOTBALL. ***** ass Giants player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HURRICANE Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 the problem is I personally pride myself as a redskin fan and one of the main reasons I became a redskin fan is that we dont take cheap shots nor do we do anything intentially illegal. I dont agree that this was a dirty play and I do think kiwanuka is a little ***** . I mean really look at samuels at the end of the play. Antonio pierce even said that it wasnt intentional and we all know what a little ***** he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Honestly, I agree with Kiwanuka. It looked like a cheap shot by Samuels. Only reason I wouldn't believe it wasn't was because Samuels stayed with him, even after the trainers got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Was it intentional? I'm not Samuels so I don't know. I'll respond with another question... Did Brandon Jacobs intentionally punch Marcus Washington? Uh, not once but twice - missed with the first, connected with the second . Oh, and nobody seems to have noticed the play before that. After a clean tackle by Washington, Jacobs got up, KICKED Washington, and headed back to the huddle. The Giants don't have any moral ground to complain about that game. Take your hard-earned victory and shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSunday Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 All of you making fun of Kiwanuka are absolute hypocrites. If this role was reversed and Taylor was on the receiving end of a cheap shot (whether intentional or not), you'd be up in arms. Sometimes I shake my head....That being said, it was a dirty play. However, I have no doubt Samuels was trying to protect his QB from a devastating hit rather than trying to injure the opposing player, and the ankle injury was far from intended. Regardless, everyone calling Kiwanuka a liar/sissy/whatever are full of crap. Your stance would be opposite if it was a 'Skin on the receiving end. Amen,people just need to shut up . All of you making fun of Kiwanuka are absolute hypocrites. If this role was reversed and Taylor was on the receiving end of a cheap shot (whether intentional or not), you'd be up in arms. Sometimes I shake my head....That being said, it was a dirty play. However, I have no doubt Samuels was trying to protect his QB from a devastating hit rather than trying to injure the opposing player, and the ankle injury was far from intended. Regardless, everyone calling Kiwanuka a liar/sissy/whatever are full of crap. Your stance would be opposite if it was a 'Skin on the receiving end. Word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'KanSkinFan Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 It doesn't look intentional to me, not at all. It's funny that the Giants are calling Samuels "dirty", their O-line was cutting all game that is considered "dirty" too. Are you speaking of all the facemasks, holding and low tackling that was going on during the game? Hum, don't you know the refs "didn't" see it AND when they did~ didn't do anything about it. Odd~ they kicked Taylor out of a game for simply "riding himself of mouth fluids" in the direction of another player. Guess the saying goes: It's who you know and who they are reffing for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 it was bush. I didnt see any of our lineman diving at Carter or anyone elses legs after getting beat for a sack. Its just not right. Kiwi easily could have broke his leg again. Its cheap. Very bush league. "I've never watched football before. I don't realize that what happened is SOP in the NFL and while unfortunate will happen again in the very next game I watch. I just want to cry like a little *****." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Ok, so to make ourselves feel better after we get spanked ,we can justify a dirty play by someone on our team.(wow):doh: It wasn't dirty. Dirty is going after a guys knees or punching him in the groin. What he did was do exactly what every single lineman in the league has been trained to do. He kept a big lineman who was going to absolutely cream his QB from doing just that by tackling him. It was a penalty but only because he was an offensive lineman not because it was a dirty play. He was called for holding, not unsportsmanlike conduct. If Campbell had been running away from Kiwanuka and had been tackled in the exact same fashion people would not be talking about it as a dirty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinthemboys Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Im tellin ya'. Hes embarresed by getting his ass rocked by portis. CP completly decleated him. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 That being said, it was a dirty play. However, I have no doubt Samuels was trying to protect his QB from a devastating hit rather than trying to injure the opposing player, and the ankle injury was far from intended. Regardless, everyone calling Kiwanuka a liar/sissy/whatever are full of crap. Your stance would be opposite if it was a 'Skin on the receiving end. I already broke down why it wasn't dirty. I've been in enough discussions to establish my 'objective' cred, so I don't need to do so here. All I'll say is that I expect more from you herrmag and the play was not dirty. A penalty? Of course, so is offsides, pass inteference or using another player as a launchpad to block a kick. Illegal does not equal dirty and I'm not sure where this dunderheaded notion developed. I would also caution Skins fans who are pretending to be objective or merely pointing out the obvious (that we would be upset about an injury) that they do not speak for all Skins fans, nor do they know WHAT we "all" would say about a similar play occurring to a Skin in exactly the same way. The play wasn't dirty. It was a leg wrap-up tackle. In what world is this a dirty play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Interesting. I just watched the left tackle of the Miami Dolphins do nearly the exact same thing that Chris did. Nobody got hurt. Wanna bet nobody says dirty play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Do the Giants have a fan board? There's always alot of them here all the time.:gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papabear Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Interesting. I just watched the left tackle of the Miami Dolphins do nearly the exact same thing that Chris did. Nobody got hurt. Wanna bet nobody says dirty play? Dirty play totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPATH '82 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 yeah I didn't care much either....He's just pissed cause he got floored by CP. YEP!.....Notice he didnt even comment about that one? Fact is he needs to man up. The Broncos go low everydown and its legal, although most teams wont do it because the possibility of injuring someone. If he has only 1 play to comment on about samuels throughout the whole game, then he knows Samuels is not a dirty player as he proclaims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think it was probley intentional...not to injure him, but doing whatever means ness to protect Jason. And I have no problem with that whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ok, so to make ourselves feel better after we get spanked ,we can justify a dirty play by someone on our team.(wow):doh: As I noted after this response. I saw the almost same exact play happen the other night. Nobody got hurt, nobody mentioned it, but a flag was thrown for holding. It was not a dirty play. All of you making fun of Kiwanuka are absolute hypocrites. If this role was reversed and Taylor was on the receiving end of a cheap shot (whether intentional or not), you'd be up in arms. Sometimes I shake my head....That being said, it was a dirty play. However, I have no doubt Samuels was trying to protect his QB from a devastating hit rather than trying to injure the opposing player, and the ankle injury was far from intended. Regardless, everyone calling Kiwanuka a liar/sissy/whatever are full of crap. Your stance would be opposite if it was a 'Skin on the receiving end. To elaborate further on my comment above, no I wouldn't. And I think there a many here who wouldn't. For my part, it's because I have seen this done by many olinemen over the years and it happened without injury. The intent and the play, are merely ways a linemen is trying to save their QB from getting hammered by a tackle from behind. It's not much different than an open field tackle doing the same thing. Sometimes, bad things happen. But that doesn't make it dirty. If it was, there would be a rule about it for sure. Just like the Horse collar rule. Amen,people just need to shut up . And you can be the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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