Kosher Ham Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 JLG, Stop stalking. It's a little over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Yes. We should have given Afghanistan and Pakistan 96 hours to turn OBL over or we nuke the entire region. :laugh: Definitely. We also shouldn't be exporting things to other countries. You obviously don't understand modern economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 The issue with the second part is that while we do need to be more self-sufficient, especially with energy, we cannot fight and win against the forces of globalization. Mass has some very unique ideas but complete isolationism would fail miserably. Then we will cease to exist as our own culture and nation. We're on the brink of losing AMERICA to the forces of globalization, immorality, and socialism. If we don't significantly change these things we will cease to exist as a nation in the next 25 to 50 years. Are we still allowed to vacation outside of the U.S. in your version of the world. I'd like to go back to Ireland a few times, and I've heard nice things about other countries. You can leave the US. You just can't come back after you've left. There are any number of places in Europe that my medieval interests would love to see, but I never will because I see no need to leave the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight for ole DC Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 To have a sense of entitlement is NOT a duty of a citizen or anyone else in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 DG, Self Sufficient. This country has the potential to be that way. Exports fine and dandy. So much importing is killing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 So you want to ban speaking foreign languages? I speak some Russian, I could talk about robbing you and you would have no idea. Yes I do. I want to ban all non-English communication inside the United States. You're claiming that nothing outside the US is relevant? So we should ignore whats going on in Iran and North Korea? To the normal citizen, correct. Obviously the government would have to keep an eye on certain security issues to ensure we are able to pre-emptively neutralize any threats but that's not the role of the Citizen. So you would rather have the US be obliterated than operate in a way that you see as being unfit? YES. Without any doubt. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees which is what the socialization and globalization of this country is doing so far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 DG, Self Sufficient. This country has the potential to be that way. Exports fine and dandy. So much importing is killing us. I disagree. I do not think that this county could be entirely self sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 :laugh: What? You don't think we've got enough nuclear and chemical weapons to do it right? You obviously don't understand modern economics. I don't need to because it's not modern economics that I want to see as the system that is prevelant in this country. I want to see an isolationist society with a closed economy. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Personally I believe there there definitely should be Duties and Responsibilities for Citizens.Among them.... Being aware of and knowledgable about American History. (YES! COULDN'T AGREE MORE! Speaking ENGLISH. (Eh...I don't think so. We must remember that many of our founders could speak multiple languages.) Keeping up with current events in America. (YES AGAIN!) Keeping up with American Politics and voting in every election they are legally allowed to. (You're on a roll, MSF) Keeping an America First mentality and thought process. (Personally, I put a couple other things in front of this nation. Mainly my faith and my family; but my country is certianly a high priority) Being prepared to fight for, kill for, and die for this country. (Yes' all around) Seems like we have more in common than I thought, MSF. Obey the law when it's just. Fight the law when it's not. In so many words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Yes I do. I want to ban all non-English communication inside the United States. That goes against some of the most fundamental pillars of this country, the first amendment protects speech in any language, though no doubt you would like to change that YES. Without any doubt. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees which is what the socialization and globalization of this country is doing so far as I'm concerned. Well I think your views on society are out-dated and foolish. I would rather have the US survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 DG, Self Sufficient. This country has the potential to be that way. Exports fine and dandy. So much importing is killing us. Self-sufficiency is a guaranteed path to poverty and an early grave. Anyone can be self-sufficient. Just spent six hours a day working your fields, two hours a day repairing your home, three hours a day making your clothes, one hour a day chopping wood, one hour a day cooking, and if you do all that, you will probably be very hungry and cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I disagree.I do not think that this county could be entirely self sufficient. What do we import that we can't/don't build/grow/make here ? That we actually NEED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 DG, Self Sufficient. This country has the potential to be that way. Exports fine and dandy. So much importing is killing us. I don't even agree with the exports. We need to keep American products here in the United States so far as I'm concerned. We CAN be self-sufficient. It may not be at the same technology level or the same standard of living but we CAN and SHOULD be self-sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 What? You don't think we've got enough nuclear and chemical weapons to do it right? We have the capability to destroy the world many times over with our nuclear and chemical weapons. I believe that there are some ethics involved, as in not nuking an area and killing millions of innocent people to get to one man that is probably already dead. I don't need to because it's not modern economics that I want to see as the system that is prevelant in this country. I want to see an isolationist society with a closed economy. It's that simple. Well you won't ever see that happen, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 What do we import that we can't/don't build/grow/make here ? That we actually NEED. Its not the fact that we can't build it, its the costs to do so that make it impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Its not the fact that we can't build it, its the costs to do so that make it impossible. The economy would correct itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Its not the fact that we can't build it, its the costs to do so that make it impossible. Because we buy the computer chips from Japan, buy the fabric from China, buy the caviar from Russia, the peppers from South America, so on and so forth. It can be done. If we were self sufficient, the dollar would be worth twice as much. Costs, that's a terrible argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 That goes against some of the most fundamental pillars of this country, the first amendment protects speech in any language, though no doubt you would like to change that. I think the entire 1st amendment needs to be re-written on MANY levels. Well I think your views on society are out-dated and foolish. I would rather have the US survive. That's fine. You have a Constitutionally protected right to your opinion. You can choose to live on your knees, a slave to European and Asian corporations and goods. You can choose to be forced to learn some other language in order to keep your job. As for me, I'D RATHER BE DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Because we buy the computer chips from Japan, buy the fabric from China, buy the caviar from Russia, the peppers from South America, so on and so forth. It can be done. If we were self sufficient, the dollar would be worth twice as much. Costs, that's a terrible argument. The economy would correct itself. No, its an excellent argument. Labor costs and health care costs are the reason why companies are off-shoring, why they outsource jobs etc. They are the most successful companies. You're telling me that we should stop importing? Are you seriously trying to make that argument? THAT is a ridiculous and terrible argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I think the entire 1st amendment needs to be re-written on MANY levels. Do tell, mon amie (and yes...that is French ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 We have the capability to destroy the world many times over with our nuclear and chemical weapons. I believe that there are some ethics involved, as in not nuking an area and killing millions of innocent people to get to one man that is probably already dead. See, I place essentially no value on human life. Especially non-American human life. In my mind they should have throught about it a little more before allowing a terrorist to live and work inside their borders. Well you won't ever see that happen, thankfully. Which is part of why I don't expect to live to see retirement age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Wow. I'd never thought I'd hear so many Americans agree with Kim Jong-Il's views on "self-sufficiency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 No, its an excellent argument.Labor costs and health care costs are the reason why companies are off-shoring, why they outsource jobs etc. They are the most successful companies. You're telling me that we should stop importing? Are you seriously trying to make that argument? THAT is a ridiculous and terrible argument. Sure thing pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 No, its an excellent argument.Labor costs and health care costs are the reason why companies are off-shoring, why they outsource jobs etc. They are the most successful companies. You're telling me that we should stop importing? Are you seriously trying to make that argument? THAT is a ridiculous and terrible argument. It's one I'll agree with him on. When the laws no longer allow them to outsource the problem becomes self-correcting. If they want to leave the US, fine... but they have to move everything out of the US, and stop selling their products in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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