SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Assuming the Repubs did this on purpose to disenfranchise the Dems....The Fix would have been Dean saying that the votes will count anyway He didn't I'm not disputing that the DNC handled this badly, but parties should leave the processes of the other party alone. If a states laws read that the legislature shall set the dates of primaries, they should defer to the desires of the party. If a states laws read that primaries for both parties should be held on the same day, than both parties should have to agree on the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 At this point, we should all be voting 3rd party. Even knowing that person won't win. Showing a much higher number voting for somebody other than Dem or Repub sends a message that we're ready for something new.WTF! That's my thesis! I've believed for a few months now that anyone under 40 should vote 3rd party. The two parties have been screwing this country over for nearly 20+ years now! Do you listen to Dan Carlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 This is why I hate the DNC. They had the opportunity to count Florida's votes. (I mean, God forbid the largest swing state in the Union vote before all but four other states.) The DNC chose not to count these votes. The DNC has deliberately disenfranchised Florida democrats. For the DNC to blame anyone but themselves is a cop out. And so help me, if I hear the word 'disenfranchised' used by a democrat in the general election, my foot is going through the television screen. If you don't like the majority getting its way in the state legislature, beat them out. It's pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 WTF! That's my thesis! I've believed for a few months now that anyone under 40 should vote 3rd party. The two parties have been screwing this country over for nearly 20+ years now! Do you listen to Dan Carlin? No, I read a book called Declaring Independence by Douglas Schoen. Its about the two-party system's coming end. Right now I view the DNC as Cancer, and the GOP as AIDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 That lady with the short hair is annoying beyond belief. I know Wexler wanted to shove his right foot straight up her candy ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I'm not disputing that the DNC handled this badly, but parties should leave the processes of the other party alone. If a states laws read that the legislature shall set the dates of primaries, they should defer to the desires of the party. If a states laws read that primaries for both parties should be held on the same day, than both parties should have to agree on the date.Stop arguing over something that is BS. There would've been a court case if the Florida legislature intentionally broke DNC rules. Google it. The move occurred in May 2007. Here is article from WP: Under both Republican and Democratic party rules, states are penalized for moving their primaries earlier than Feb. 5. Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said the state would lose 50 percent of its delegates and all its superdelegates _ typically members of Congress. Any candidate who campaigns in Florida for a primary earlier than Feb. 5 will be ineligible for receiving any of the state's delegates, Paxton said. She added that the DNC hoped to work out a separate plan with the state party, such as a caucus, to avoid the penalties....Candidates don't seem to be threatened by the potential penalties from the national parties. Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was already campaigning in the Miami area on Monday. Illinois Sen. Barack Obama will also continue to campaign in Florida, said spokeswoman Jen Psaki.More on why...Florida has by far the largest population of any of the early voting states set for January and is the most expensive in which to campaign, giving well-funded candidates an even greater advantage and possibly drawing attention away from the smaller states. "This is going to require the serious candidates to spend very, very large amounts of money and time in Florida," said Merle Black, a politics professor at Emory University in Atlanta. "If you can't compete in Florida, that's going to be a sign that you're not a serious contender." Crist, a Republican, and other state GOP leaders have argued Florida's diversity and size merit more influence in deciding the nation's leadership. The delegate-rich state decided the disputed 2000 presidential election.So yes, it was pushed through by the Rs but none of the articles I find say that the Ds were against this either. They all wanted Florida to have a bigger say in who is going to be the primary candidate. Ironically enough, if they had not moved up their primary, they probably would have a bigger say. Just found another money quote from an article: Florida lawmakers have repeatedly said they will not cower in the face of sanctions from the national parties because they believe choosing the next president is more important than sending delegates to a convention with a preordained outcome.All of these articles are actually sourced from the AP. Anyway, Florida gets to reap what it sowed... stupid attention whores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Why can't that asshat Nelson from Florida just answer a simple question from Wolf Blitzer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to get sick every tme I see or hear from Hillary or any of her supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to get sick every tmeI see or hear from Hillary or any of her supporters. Not just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Not just you. Oh hell no, it's not just him. That's something we ALL can agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 As a matter of strategy... Why is Obamas position to give Hillary 19 delegates from Florida? I would have started with the position..."I am following the Rules...NO Votes" Then I would have compromised to the 19 delegate (half total) position Is this the way Obama will negotiate with Terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Oh hell no, it's not just him. That's something we ALL can agree on. it's always good when we can agree H_H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 No, what I am saying is that the state legislature knew what would happen if the primary was moved and did it anyway to tamper with the Democratic party. It is a cheap political move to tamper with how a party conducts its own primary. Even if the Democrats do it, it is still a cheap move and should not be done. All the Dems in the state legislature voted FOR the move up of the primary They had a chance to at least vote AGAINST it but chose not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 All the Dems in the state legislature voted FOR the move up of the primaryThey had a chance to at least vote AGAINST it but chose not to If they had voted against it every single Republican in November would have said the Democrats had voted against a law requiring a paper trail for their electronic voter machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 it's always good when we can agree H_H Well, actually, I disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to get sick every tmeI see or hear from Hillary or any of her supporters. Nope not just you...I have gottne to the point that if I see her on TV..I can hit the mute button in record time now...used to think the mute button was only good for when watching Dick Vitale & Chris Berman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 As a matter of strategy...Why is Obamas position to give Hillary 19 delegates from Florida? I would have started with the position..."I am following the Rules...NO Votes" Then I would have compromised to the 19 delegate (half total) position Is this the way Obama will negotiate with Terrorists? What terrorists has Obama ever said that he will negotiate with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Well, actually, I disagree with that. Well I love America....do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 As a matter of strategy...Why is Obamas position to give Hillary 19 delegates from Florida? I would have started with the position..."I am following the Rules...NO Votes" Then I would have compromised to the 19 delegate (half total) position Is this the way Obama will negotiate with Terrorists? He can't do that because it makes him look bad. By conceding some ground on FL he gets more leverage on MI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Well I love America....do you? Of course. And hating Hillary, and loving America is about where the common ground between you and I ends. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 He can't do that because it makes him look bad. By conceding some ground on FL he gets more leverage on MI. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 He can't do that because it makes him look bad. By conceding some ground on FL he gets more leverage on MI.Will Obama get the 50% of MI?As a side note....Leven keeps saying, lets give the uncommitted and Edwards votes to Obama likes its a huge concession... What about people that voted for Hillary that would have voted for Obama but didn't because he was not on the Ballot? Its not as easy to "write in" as just punch Statistically that would equate to less votes for Obama (unfairly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Ickles isn't even trying to hide his support of Clinton. And Levin just backhanded him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Ickles isn't even trying to hide his support of Clinton.And Levin just backhanded him AgreeIckes is not a great Hillary Spokesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Harold Ickes needs to just :stfu: And he's getting pwned over and over :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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