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He sounds like an undersized CB:

Position:

CB

Class:

Sr

School:

Arizona State

Conference:

Pac-10

Ht., Wt.:

5-9, 190

40 Time:

4.55

BIOGRAPHY: Junior-college transfer who started the past two seasons. All-Conference selection as a senior after totaling 56/3/16. Junior-year totals included 47/7/1. Experienced kick returner.

POSITIVES: Undersized cover corner who.s making a charge up draft boards. Fluid pedaling in reverse, smooth turning his hips, and quickly gets out of his plant. Displays a burst of speed to the ball. Stays with assignments, displays good instincts, and fights to break up the pass. Possesses good ball skills and does not get rattled playing against top competition.

NEGATIVES: Not a physically strong defensive back and loses out to large receivers. Struggles making plays with his back to the ball.

ANALYSIS: Tryon is a former sprint champion who.s slowly transferring his athletic skills to the football field. Best suited in a zone system or backed off the line of scrimmage, he offers the potential to be a productive nickel back at the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Sixth Round

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/47984.html

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buenosdiaz

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i dont like this pick (hope im wrong) not that we drafted cb instead of line or whatever else everyone else thinks we should get

The NFCE is full of aggressive wr's and we have seen how annoying it is to be overmatched with smaller db's...

i hope im wrong and this works out but i dont like the pick

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Justin Tryon

Selected by: Washington Redskins

Round: 4

Pick (Overall): 25(124)

CB | (5'9", 190, 4.419) | ARIZONA STATE

Scouts Grade: 39

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position

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Strengths: Tough and plays more physical than size would suggest. Appears comfortable playing close to the line of scrimmage despite size, can get hands inside receiver's frame and shows serviceable upper body strength. Quick, changes directions well and blankets receivers underneath. Fluid hips, is fast enough to turn and run with most NFL receivers and does a good not great job of turning head back in time to locate the ball. Drops some passes that should catch but can make plays in coverage and is a dangerous open field runner after the catch. Plays with a mean streak and fills hard when reads run. Can get engulfed by blockers but has active hands and flashes the ability to slip bocks in space. Has experience returning kickoffs, has experience covering kicks and can contribute on special teams. Started all 26 games of only two seasons at Arizona State and appears to be durable.

Weaknesses: Never backs away from a challenge but undersized, gets pushed around at times and is going to have some problems matching up with bigger receivers. Short, doesn't have elite leaping ability and isn't going to win many jump balls. Can cover a lot of ground in zone coverage but doesn't show ideal awareness and gets caught out of position at times. Plays too upright, doesn't always explode out of backpedal as a result and can be step slow getting to the ball when plays off the line. While generally wraps up upon contact doesn't break down into a sound tackling position and has some problems bringing bigger ball carriers to the ground. Doesn't explode into tackles and isn't going to deliver many big hits. Character doesn't appear to be a substantial issue but flagged for taunting during 2007 Washington State game an needs to do a better job of controlling emotions on the field at times.

Overall: Tryon attended College of the Canyons (Santa Clarita, Calif.) in 2004 and 2005, earning second-team All-America honors in '05 and helping lead the school to a national championship in '04. He transferred to Arizona State in 2006, starting all 13 games as a junior and finishing the season with 47 tackles (2.5 for losses), one sack, one interception and seven pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he had 56 tackles (one for a loss), a forced fumble, 16 pass breakups and three interceptions (one of which he returned for a touchdown). In his two years with the Sun Devils, Tryon also had 12 kickoff returns for 372 yards (31.0 average). Tryon is undersized so he is going to have problems matching up with receivers and making plays in run support but he has the quickness, speed, toughness and agility to emerge as an excellent Nickel back who can also return kickoffs. With that in mind, he projects as a fifth round pick.

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Yeah, he seems to be a bit of a reach, IMO. The last time we picked an undersized CB, Rashad Bauman, in the third a few years back, he didn't pan out too well (though he did play decently in spots). Unless you have D. Green speed, it is tough being a small CB in the NFL.

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Analysis

Analysis

Positives: Has a lean frame, but shows good muscle tone and has room to add at least another 10 pounds of bulk without having it affect his impressive timed speed...Is much quicker reading routes than recognizing run plays, showing good urgency closing on the ball...Rare to see him get taken out of position when playing in man coverage...Shows good foot quickness and flexibility, demonstrating the acceleration and second gear to get back on the route when a receiver gets behind him...Has enough of a hand punch to generate good press coverage, but also has the balance and change of direction agility to play in off coverage...Can stay on the hip and run with most receivers...Comes out of his breaks with good suddenness, opening his hips smoothly coming out of his backpedal...Rare to see him take any false steps in transition, showing good weight distribution and loose hips to turn and go after the thrown pass...Can even be effective using a shuffle-and-bail technique...Has a good feel for the routes developing, playing his man tight while showing proper body adjustments on the move...Got better breaks on the ball as a senior than he did in the past, but gets into trouble when he eyeballs the backfield too long...Has the speed and burst to make plays at the opposite side of the field and takes good angles to close...Can cover a lot of ground with his sudden burst...Adjusting to runners in support is a concern, as he struggles to play off blocks, but has good wrap-up technique to hang on to the ballcarrier until help arrives...Gets himself into position to make plays on the ball, but does not show natural hands (will trap) and must improve his timing when elevating for the ball...Lacks the sand in his pants to be an impact tackler, but shows willingness coming inside the box on run plays...Good second effort tackler (more of a pester type), who might bounce off a few bigger receivers, but he will not hesitate to face up or attempt to drag down when working in space...Not used often as a kickoff returner, but has that explosive burst and good ball security to get big yardage when running back the ball...Even though he lacks natural hands for the interception, he is good at reaching around and knocking balls out of the hands of the receiver...Ballcarriers have had good success running over him, so he has now developed good cut tackling skills, getting low in his pads to attack the opponent's feet.

Negatives: Has a lean frame that will need to carry more bulk to compete vs. the physicality of the pro game...Good program performer, but needs structure in the offseason and must develop better training habits...Generally quiet player off the field, but does get a bit too ****y and vocal on the field, leading to unnecessary penalties...Has excellent leaping ability, but needs to time his jumps better, as he is too inconsistent getting to the pass at its high point...Struggles to retain plays and digest a complicated playbook, needing more than a few reps to understand his assignment...Good wrap-up tackler, but shows little to no pop behind his hits, which sees bigger backs easily bounce off his tackles...Will bite on play-action, but has shown improvement in not being fooled by a receiver's double moves...Easily engulfed when trying to lend run support at the line, as he lacks the hand technique or power to shed...Aggressive cut tackler, but does not have the strength to just drag down the ballcarrier...Traps the ball rather than extending to pluck outside his frame and this has resulted in at least a half dozen of potential interceptions becoming merely pass deflections in 2007...Needs to show better work ethic in his approach to classroom and playbook study (not a student of the game).

Compares To: TYE HILL-St. Louis...Like Hill, Tryon plays much bigger than his size indicates. He has very good speed to mirror the receiver throughout the route and has a smooth backpedal, coming out of his breaks with good explosion. If he can ever develop better timing and better hands, he could be a dominant pass thief. He is a bit too ****y at times, sort of like Fred Smoot, and this leads to unnecessary penalties, but he has had good success taking on receivers that tower over or out-weigh him considerably with relatively good success.

Injury Report

No injuries reported.

I would have rather seen Olando Scandrick and Trea Williams......

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elkabong82

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wow, short and slow he must have ESP or something

It says he is a sprint champion, and his bios and scout reports all say he is very fast. Helps if you read that stuff instead of simply looking at his 40 time.

I know another short, track star CB we took a gamble on drafted about 15 years ago.

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Compares To: TYE HILL-St. Louis...Like Hill, Tryon plays much bigger than his size indicates. He has very good speed to mirror the receiver throughout the route and has a smooth backpedal, coming out of his breaks with good explosion. If he can ever develop better timing and better hands, he could be a dominant pass thief. He is a bit too ****y at times, sort of like Fred Smoot, and this leads to unnecessary penalties, but he has had good success taking on receivers that tower over or out-weigh him considerably with relatively good success.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/justin-tryon?id=2321

I like the pick. I have heard him mentioned as a decent mid-rounder.

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Look, you either like the pick based on position or not. You cant tell me you hate the guy for so N so reasons here... They just mentioned Jared Allen was drafted around the same pick... Point is, as Mayock said, you draft based on your schemes right now. Unless you watched every game you cant tell me you hate the pick or love the pick unless its based on not liking the position. We need a CB. I like it.

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