chomerics Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24076709#24076709 Pretty disturbing stuff. . . what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Id have to see the longer version.. I don't get it based on 3 kids and creepy music in the background while asking random questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 The clips from the documentary are extremely disturbing but the panel is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I think you might look at the homelife of the kids tested and whether the the kid being blamed for problems is a serious contributing factor. I agree it is a issue of self worth that needs to be taught from the very beginning,that is not much different than eating disorders brought about by society's ideal. It is not simply going to be addressed by throwing money at it...It starts at home....just as unlimited funding for education is wasted if the desire to learn is not instilled. It comes down for me to how can we best change the home environment. I also find Dyson a hack that would choke before acknowledging Rice,Powell or other blacks that do not fit his agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Looking at that makes me wonder if it's edited. I mean, did they interview 100 kids, and this is three of them? What'd the other 97 say? If these reactions are typical, it is very disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I also find Dyson a hack that would choke before acknowledging Rice,Powell or other blacks that do not fit his agenda. Dyson has on many occasions "acknowledged"the accomplishments of Rice,Powell and other blacks who did not ascribe to his own political views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I think you might look at the homelife of the kids tested and whether the the kid being blamed for problems is a serious contributing factor.I agree it is a issue of self worth that needs to be taught from the very beginning,that is not much different than eating disorders brought about by society's ideal. It is not simply going to be addressed by throwing money at it...It starts at home....just as unlimited funding for education is wasted if the desire to learn is not instilled. It comes down for me to how can we best change the home environment. Are you saying that if tax dollars would help this issue it still wouldn't be worth using them? How do parents learn what a better home life is without actually receiving help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 The only question I have is who was the foxy chick talking when the video cut off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Are you saying that if tax dollars would help this issue it still wouldn't be worth using them?How do parents learn what a better home life is without actually receiving help? We ARE using tax dollars to attempt to help this issue ,and I would not object to the wise use of more. Simply increasing funding is a waste. The second is quite difficult to answer,as there is no easy way,but it starts with learning self respect and responsibility(which creates self worth). Work programs and childcare programs are a start,but insufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 We ARE using tax dollars to attempt to help this issue ,and I would not object to the wise use of more.Simply increasing funding is a waste. The second is quite difficult to answer,as there is no easy way,but it starts with learning self respect and responsibility(which creates self worth). Work programs and childcare programs are a start,but insufficient. I asked because you said what you didn't want to do: Throw money at the problem. And you categorized where the problem starts: At home But you didn't give any actual solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I asked because you said what you didn't want to do: Throw money at the problem.And you categorized where the problem starts: At home But you didn't give any actual solutions. I thought "throwing" would suffice ,but I'm happy to clarify. I do think the solution starts at home,just as it began there with the breakup of family by slavery and is continued by modern policies that do not support the family structure. Is there a social solution that does not begin there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 It's simply amazes me that in this day and age they do a test like this and the outcome is the same as it was over 50 years ago. It won't make a difference because way too many(many on this site)don't believe there's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 It's simply amazes me that in this day and age they do a test like this and the outcome is the same as it was over 50 years ago. It won't make a difference because way too many(many on this site)don't believe there's a problem. If the problem isn't yours, it doesn't exist. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I'm sorry. If my daughter had a problem with her self-image, I would see it as my responsbility to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 If the problem isn't yours, it doesn't exist. :doh: Sadly, that's how a lot of people feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I'm sorry. If my daughter had a problem with her self-image, I would see it as my responsbility to fix it. Honorary, did you even listen to what the panel said? Sure, self-esteem/self-image begins at home, but blacks enter a world that is so stacked against them it's unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinO Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Maybe it's just me, but maybe theses kids just need better role models from their own community? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I'm sorry. If my daughter had a problem with her self-image, I would see it as my responsbility to fix it. As TWA said, this is as societal an issue as eating disorders. If someone's daughter had an eating disorder should they take the entire blame, logically speaking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Maybe it's just me, but maybe theses kids just need better role models from their own community? :whoknows: Obviously you guys really didn't listen to the panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Honorary, did you even listen to what the panel said? Sure, self-esteem/self-image begins at home, but blacks enter a world that is so stacked against them it's unbelievable. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. I saw about 5 minutes of the panel part. And I'm sorry, but you can't convince me the deck is stacked anymore. What is causing the self-image problem? Magazines? OK, great. There's a Jet, but there's no Snow. There's an Ebony but there's no Ivory. OF COURSE black kids are going to see more white people in magazines and on TV. There are more of us in the country. It just makes sense. Is it education? There are race-specific scholarships for blacks at state schools, AND HBCUs. Is it preference in hiring? Only minorities get that. What is it? Look, sith, my heart aches for ANY kid of ANY color who doesn't believe they're the greatest damn thing in the world. EVERY child deserves to truly believe they can DO anything they want and BE anything they want. And that's becoming not only increasingly true, but increasingly clear. We're on a very realistic verge of electing an African-American president. What else is there after that? How much higher can you go? What else is there to prove? This is a home/community problem, pure and simple. The deck is no longer stacked. I understand that some historical injustices don't just go away over a couple of decades, but there absolutely is not a movement to hold African-Americans back anymore. I'd be anxious to hear what Obama had to say about this. I imagine it would be like his Selma speech, i.e. Do for ourselves, and only when we've exhausted all of OUR options, THEN ask for help. When I talk to my kids, I CONSTANTLY call them things like "beautiful," or "gorgeous," not because I think they're prettier than African-American kids, but because I want them to be strong and confident in their self-image. It's not hard to make a kid feel good about themselves, in the right environment, the right family structure, and with TWO parents that love them more than life itself. Is our history pretty as far as race goes? Hell no. But society can no longer be blamed for failures at home. It's time for personal accountability, and Barack Obama happens to agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinO Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Honorary, did you even listen to what the panel said? Sure, self-esteem/self-image begins at home, but blacks enter a world that is so stacked against them it's unbelievable. Always the victim. Reality is, that for anyone living in America, they will have a better life than 90% of the world's population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 As TWA said, this is as societal an issue as eating disorders. If someone's daughter had an eating disorder should they take the entire blame, logically speaking? If my child has an eating disorder, I'm not going to call a panel together to discuss and place blame elsewhere. I'm going to get her to a physician, then probably a psychiatrist, and whatever other specialist is recommended. Personal accountability. My children are my life, and MY responsibility. If they fail, it's because I failed. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinO Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Obviously you guys really didn't listen to the panel. Video's too long to listen to them blab, and from what I did hear, it was nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 If my child has an eating disorder, I'm not going to call a panel together to discuss and place blame elsewhere. I'm going to get her to a physician, then probably a psychiatrist, and whatever other specialist is recommended.Personal accountability. You are aware that panels were put together in regards to eating disorders? Acting as though this is a problem stemming from one child's issues and a panel was needlessly called is disingenuous in my mind. Discussing problems that face our society are not getting away from personal responsibility, they are a part of responsibility and accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Video's too long to listen to them blab, and from what I did hear, it was nothing new. Then why are you in hear talking about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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