Chump Bailey Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Ware benefits greatly from the Cowboys good and deep defensive line, but he's still the better overall player regardless IMO. If we were to get Carter some help along the line, I think he could truly take his game to a whole nother level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I think I want the 2 minutes of my life...I spent reading this thread...refunded. I never understood why people say this...especially if the poster has what the thread is about, typed clearly in the title. The only way I'd understand it, is if there were no such things as titles on ES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGSKINS Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNGwithOUTaCrwN Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 ware.by far...carters skill is there but not the speed and agility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Has to be a joke...it's not even a debate or discussion really. Ware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playsmart30 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 In a 4-3 syster Ware is the better but in 3-4 syster ware is better. But I dont think ware will have that most impact in 4-3 syster, He will be good but Ware fit good in 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagletooth Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I don't watch alot of Dallas games. Not all the way through, anyway. But I love to root against them. So when the Skins aren't on at the same time I usually catch some of the action, especially if its close. The thing is. Ware has never jumped out at me as a defensive beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 The thing is. Ware has never jumped out at me as a defensive beast. It's one of the most mystifying things to me, man. :confused: Someone tabbed Ware as a beast and it has just been accepted by the masses. I've seen many (not all) Dallas games, and it's never crossed my mind that Ware was dominant. I actually think the key to their whole defense is Ellis. It's just shocking that people think he is SOOOOO much better than Carter. He has better speed off the edge and moves around a lot, which makes him a more dangerous pass rusher. Still, you make him an end in a 4-3, and I bet opposing offenses paint a big target on his position when crafting their running game plan. I would take Ware for his superior pass-rushing ability, but if I'm running a 4-3, I think I'd rather see Carter lined up at DE on running downs. Carter is better in that department than people give him credit for. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 One thing that bugs me about Samuels is that he'll shut down everyoe (Umeniora, etc.) but he always struggles with Ware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Carter... ... looks more like someone I wouldn't want to run into in a dark alley. But Ware is the better player. Without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I'll say Ware also. But not by as wide a margin some people are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 lol I love the Redskins and I probably tend to err biased towards skins players...but this is kinda silly. Ware is better than Carter...and I like Carter a lot and appreciate what he's done for our team...was getting the "bust" mention for a while but really got in a groove and is playing good football now. I've seen plenty of Ware and he makes plays Carter doesn't make ..I don't care if the dude is a Cowboy. Witten /Cooley is simliar, with Witten being better and I love Captain Chaos. It is what it is. The original question was who is the better all around player, not by how wide of a margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Witten /Cooley is simliar, with Witten being better and I love Captain Chaos. It is what it is. Ummm. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I think Cooley is the better player. By the slightest margin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 One thing that bugs me about Samuels is that he'll shut down everyoe (Umeniora, etc.) but he always struggles with Ware. Are you kidding? Samuels pretty much dominates Ware. Ware had that one play on Samuels in the game in Dallas last year where he got an insane jump on the snap. Other than that, pretty much zilch. Don't know what games you've been watching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 It's one of the most mystifying things to me, man. :confused:Someone tabbed Ware as a beast and it has just been accepted by the masses. I've seen many (not all) Dallas games, and it's never crossed my mind that Ware was dominant. I actually think the key to their whole defense is Ellis. It's just shocking that people think he is SOOOOO much better than Carter. He has better speed off the edge and moves around a lot, which makes him a more dangerous pass rusher. Still, you make him an end in a 4-3, and I bet opposing offenses paint a big target on his position when crafting their running game plan. I would take Ware for his superior pass-rushing ability, but if I'm running a 4-3, I think I'd rather see Carter lined up at DE on running downs. Carter is better in that department than people give him credit for. :2cents: The fact is, I've watched most of the pukes' games last year, and even Ellis is a better player than Ware. Ware benefits from a five man attack on most plays, whereas Carter is a DE in a four line rush...yet, Carter's sack numbers were very close to Ware's last year. I respect my fellow Skins' fans views, here, but I believe many have fallen prey to the puke/Aikman/Buck hype. Ellis is better than Ware. In 2006, Ellis was injured and the puke's defense was dismal. At the beginning of 2007, a Dallas Morning News columnist began calling Ware "Demarcus Where". The point is, Where looks pretty good because of his supporting cast and scheme...and Carter looks less impressive for the same reason. I can understand the bias here...the pukes benefit from the largest, most casual, fan base of modern sports...and the hype machine behind it. Sometimes it's difficult to break through to see the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Are you kidding? Samuels pretty much dominates Ware. Ware had that one play on Samuels in the game in Dallas last year where he got an insane jump on the snap. Other than that, pretty much zilch.Don't know what games you've been watching... Samuels eats Ware for lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemSkinz Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think the better question would be Ware or Marcus Washington, even though Ware would still win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30L Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I don't know Tr1, I mean did you see Ware blow by our O-Line in both games last season? It was frustrating as heck. The knock on Ware to me is, that once it get's deep into the 3rd Quarter- 4th, he disappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I don't know Tr1, I mean did you see Ware blow by our O-Line in both games last season? It was frustrating as heck.The knock on Ware to me is, that once it get's deep into the 3rd Quarter- 4th, he disappears. I don't recall those plays...but, that scheme is guaranteed to get LBs some sacks. Ellis is the better player, even at his advanced age...ask any puke fan. Without Ellis, Where doesn't really stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Are you kidding? Samuels pretty much dominates Ware. Ware had that one play on Samuels in the game in Dallas last year where he got an insane jump on the snap. Other than that, pretty much zilch.Don't know what games you've been watching... And I suppose that's why he got a sack, forced fumble in BOTH games last year, along with regular pressures? He was a hair away from several more sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEGSKINS Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 ware is a beast. carter is a good nfl player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamroller#99 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Ware for the most part is unblockable one on one. He's too big, strong, and fast to draw a man up assignment. Carter was a double digit sack guy last year on an otherwise average line. Give the guy some big dues. But i know that i hold my breath every time Campbell says hike against the cowboys. Ware is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahbird Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Any stat nerds out there that can stack them side by side? I could do it myself but am really lazy. Didnt Andre have 10 tackles, and a sack or 2, in the fourth quarter game last year? A really important game. That is beast and monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Carter played Ware's position when he was in a 3-4 in San Fran, Ware is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 There has been a discussion about this in the ATN forum. Just wondering about what the stadium dwellers here thought. Ware ---- end of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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