Joe Sick Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=282592 Some names that I have heard as potential draftees... Owen Schmitt 24/30 Brandon Albert 23 Quentin Groves 25/38 Darrell Robertson 30/33 Brian Johnston 16/31 Kenny Iwebema 22/28 Chris Ellis 14/22 Chris Long 34/45 Glenn Dorsey 21/26 Antoine Cason 16/28 Tracy Porter 4/23 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 19/38 Leodis McKelvin 13/34 Chevis Jackson 15/30 Charles Godfrey 11/28 D.J. Parker 13/28 DeJuan Tribble 18/33 Travis Williams 4/19 Terrence Wheatley 21/38 ------------- And an article talking about the Wonderlic, with sample test... http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10014874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ok, so Alex Smith gets a 40 and Quincy Carter gets a 30. Meanwhile, Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair score in the teens. Yep, really good test they've come up with there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wow. Tracy Porter's stock is going to drop with that score, he could slip to the 3rd and, IMO, would be a steal there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamyesme1111 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 It's about intelligence, who said Mcnabb and Mcnair were intelligent? They were great quarterbacks, but who says how much intelligence went into how they played? I agree in a way though, but I really don't think scouts look much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wonderlic test is all about a persons overall football and general knowledge. It doesn't in anyway tell you if the testie is capable of performing, only how much intelagence that individual has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamyesme1111 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I got 11/12 on the sample test in under 3 minutes...WDF?? Are their questions REALLY like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 wonderlic is about as indicative as phrenology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I took the sample test and it has nothing to do with football. It's arithmetic, simple multiplication and division -- some reading comprehension. I got the questions right but I have no idea what this is supposed to prove. And no, contrary to the poster above, it has nothing to do with "intelligence" from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Lets get the guy who scores the lowest on the test and hits the QB the hardest. On second thought, lets just go for the guy who hits the QB the hardest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ted Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 those were some pretty simple questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wow, those questions are made for "Are you smarter than..." I can't believe an agent can't get all their clients to score in the 30s on that test. Do I think this test really matters for football? No. But it's sad as heck that these players all aren't scoring better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic The Wonderlic Personnel Test is an intelligence test primarily known for being administered to prospective employees for the purposes of recruitment, placement, development and retention.[1] The Wonderlic is a twelve-minute, fifty-question exam to assess aptitude for learning a job and adapting to solve problems for employees in a wide range of occupations. The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time. A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; a rough conversion is accomplished via the following formula: IQ = 2WPT + 60). A new version was released in Jan, '07 called the Wonderlic Personnel Test - Revised. It contains updated questions more appropriate to the 21st century. Use in NFL The Wonderlic test has become best known for its use in NFL pre-draft assessments of prospective football players. This assessment roughly corresponds to examples from Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football. According to Zimmerman, examples of average scores for each position are: Offensive tackle - 26 Center - 25 Quarterback - 24 Guard - 23 Tight end - 22 Safety - 19 Linebacker - 19 Cornerback - 18 Wide receiver - 17 Fullback - 17 Halfback - 16 Pat McInally, a graduate of Harvard University, is the only football player to record a confirmed perfect score of 50.[citation needed] Ryan Fitzpatrick, a Harvard graduate like McInally, had also been rumored to have scored a perfect score of 50, in only nine minutes.[2] However, he later claimed to have left at least one of the 50 answer spaces blank [2], leading the media to question his perfect score.[3] The Wall Street Journal later reported that Fitzpatrick's actual score was 38 (still considered excellent), but that Fitzpatrick's claim of completing the Wonderlic in only nine minutes was accurate. [edit] Average scores for ordinary people While an average football player usually scores around 20 points, Wonderlic, Inc. claims a score of at least 10 points suggests a person is literate [3]. Furthermore, when the test was given to miscellaneous people of various professions, it was observed that the average participant scored a 24. Examples of scores from everyday professions included: Chemist - 31 Programmer - 29 Journalist - 26 Sales - 24 Bank teller - 22 Clerical worker - 21 Security guard - 17 Warehouse - 15 I think just as much can be inferred from how many question they answered as how many they got right. (That's the second number in the figures.) 50 questions in 300 seconds, or about 6 seconds a question. It is supposed to replicate quick decision making. Not sure how well it really works, but I've heard the Giants put a lot of faith in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Shows how useful this test is when the scores of first/second time taken are so WILDLY different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted March 25, 2008 Author Share Posted March 25, 2008 Wow, those questions are made for "Are you smarter than..."I can't believe an agent can't get all their clients to score in the 30s on that test. Do I think this test really matters for football? No. But it's sad as heck that these players all aren't scoring better. From the same wikipedia link as I quoted before... A fan-made abbreviated version of the test is available [5]. While the test is not nearly as complex as the original Wonderlic Test, it follows most of the same concepts. After finishing the test, one can compare one's results with those of NFL players. A condensed version of the Wonderlic test appears in newer editions of the Madden NFL video game series. The Madden version of the test plays a major role during the "Super-Star" portion of the game, to add a deeper sense of realism to the game.[citation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Vince Young and his 9 touchdowns say hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndorf25 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I'm a hiring manager for an insurance company and during the interview process, we administer the Wonderlic. If an applicant does not score higher than an 18 we cannot hire them. The reason for this is people we hire must be able to pass the state license exam. Our company uses the Wonderlic as an indicator as to how much difficulty an applicant will have getting through our training and ultimately their ability to comprehend the information required to pass the state exam. I understand that while insurance has nothing to do with football, having the aptitude to digest a complex playbook in a given amount of time would be very relevent to me if I were an NFL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#21Taylor4Ever Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Too bad I never followed a career in football, I would've scored the highest in Wonderlic history! Please tell me the questions are harder then this. Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvarlo12000 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 It is amazing these kids can even pass college. Wait maybe they get help. No that would be against the rules right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyln Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This assessment roughly corresponds to examples from Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football. According to Zimmerman, examples of average scores for each position are: Linebacker - 19 Pat McInally, a graduate of Harvard University, is the only football player to record a confirmed perfect score of 50.[citation needed] WOW, looks like McInally has been beat... Wallace Gilberry 17/50 http://www.rolltide.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8000&ATCLID=509087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobags95 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 That test just gives us something to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraftChrisLong Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Chris Long, why are you so smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel26 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I always assumed that this test was just as much about the players problem solving ability, as their intelligence. If I have a qb, and he can't answer even 30 of these questions, and get at least 20 of them right....Well, you would have a perfect candidate for 3rd string, scout team qb. I think this is a good test, and it shows a persons ability to think on the move, and solve problems. It also shows an ability to be well rounded as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I always assumed that this test was just as much about the players problem solving ability, as their intelligence. If I have a qb, and he can't answer even 30 of these questions, and get at least 20 of them right....Well, you would have a perfect candidate for 3rd string, scout team qb. I think this is a good test, and it shows a persons ability to think on the move, and solve problems. It also shows an ability to be well rounded as a person. Dan Marino scored a 15. Patrick Ramsey scored a 32. I'm just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Impressive by Quentin Groves, I have a feeling he's slowly creeping back into the first round....After being a little overlooked over the past several weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweisk1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 there are no football questions involved...FYI....it is more situational and logic questions...not very hard but you are timed so you have to go through the questions quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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