B&GPride44 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I've seen people give reference on this board to a pass rushing DT. Now I'm just wondering is there such a thing really? I mean who was the last DT that you've seen that was a sack specialist? Warren Sapp was a pretty good one, but he is was the exception to the rule. The fact is it's just not in the job description. Their job is to force the line back into the QBs face collapsing the pocket allowing usually for one of the speed guys to get after the QB. And more importantly their job is to dominate the LOS and play on the other side of the ball, maintain gap responsibilities, and allow the second level (LB) to run free and make plays for negative or minimal gains. So a pass rush DT to me means nothing, because as a whole in the NFL they don't largely exist and give me a run stuffer any day over a so called "Pass Rush DT"...Thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Tommie Harris from the Bears. Brentson Buckner from the Panthers a bit ago. Darnell Dockett from the Cards. Shaun Rogers from Detroit. Corey Williams from the Pack. Dana Stubblefield (before he became a Redskin). These are DT's who get a lot of sacks. But I'm not sure that's really the point. You can call someone a "pass rushing DT" even if he doesn't accumulate a ton of sacks as long as he collapses the pocket and pushes the qb back into the speed rushing ends. As opposed to a "run stuffing" tackle, whose job is to plug up gaps and, even when double teamed by a center and guard, to not move backwards. They're both valuable, but there's no point in having a run stuffer out there on 3rd and 10 to "maintain gap responsibilities." The great ones can do both, but with men that large you worry about endurance, so it's a good idea to have them in a rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP+Campbell=Money Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Warren Sapp in prime was the best definition I can see...maybe Dorsey could be that...but I haven't seen one in the last few years...espeically with 3-4 D's coming around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 John Randle was very quick off the ball and therefore was a very good pass rusher but he didn't have great size, just great quickness. A lot has to do with the scheme. The trend nowadays seems to be putting big beefy guys up front that can occupy blockers and allow the linebackers to make the plays. The ideal DT is a guy who can not only take on two blockers but can collapse the pocket a bit when getting one-on-one blocking on passing downs. That way, if the DE can put pressure on the QB and he has to step up in the pocket, he runs into the DT. This is why Corey Williams had so much success in Green Bay last year. With KGB and Aarron Kampman providing outside pressure, Williams was able to cherry pick or at least get his hands up and disrupt throws or force them too soon. I don't know if our DT's are capable of this because we don't have bookend DE's like the Packers or Giants do. Perhaps that's why both were able to find their way into the NFC Championship game. Our dilemma is do we draft a pass-rushing DE to force opposing QB's up in the pocket or do we draft a DT that can get that push up the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 they are guys who collapse the pocket and can shoot the gaps between olineman with their speed. carter would probably look a hell of a lot better if we had a pocket collapsing DT. carter is quick off the edge but has trouble getting inside, and if we had a dominant DT to blow up the middle, QBs would be forced out of their comfort zone and ill take carter in space over most OTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Recently, Albert Haynesworth has done a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csizemore11 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Warren Sapp was one of the best. That eye pocking cat from the Pats is real good as well. What we are really looking for is a DT to colapse the pocket pushing the QB to our DE's. That's really what everyone means by a pass rushing DT's. The huge big push! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 uhhhhh Cornelius Griffin before the injury bug hit him. He had 6 sacks in 2004 and countless hits and pressures on the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Now that we know what a pass rushing DT is..... are there any players available in the draft that fit AND are likely to be available when the Skins pick? First round? Second round? Third round? Or, do we look for a free agent? A 4:3 DT on a team that's transitioning to 3:4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&GPride44 Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 We're all speaking the same thing in different languages here! So basically a pass rushing DT is a pocket collapsing DT that plays on the other side of the ball... Dwyane Robertson is gonna hit the market and he never fit the 3-4 in NY but I think he would be a beast of a player next to Monty in the 4-3? Anybody else think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 We're all speaking the same thing in different languages here! So basically a pass rushing DT is a pocket collapsing DT that plays on the other side of the ball... Dwyane Robertson is gonna hit the market and he never fit the 3-4 in NY but I think he would be a beast of a player next to Monty in the 4-3? Anybody else think so? id be all about bringing that guy in here, depending on the cost. if the jets are looking for tons of draft picks, then no. but if he can be add for some of our players im all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Justin Tuck, Giants- 10 sacks. I would call that a pass rushing DT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpath11 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Justin Tuck, Giants- 10 sacks. I would call that a pass rushing DT! Great example and others have mentioned many I would also add Bryant Young in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Justin Tuck, Giants- 10 sacks. I would call that a pass rushing DT!Perfect example, I was thinking the same thing. Tuck is a monster of a DT. A pass rushing DT monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generals01 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Perfect example, I was thinking the same thing. Tuck is a monster of a DT. A pass rushing DT monster. Officially Tuck is a DE. I believe he mainly lines up on the outside, however they will line him up on the inside occasionally to create mismatches. This is what they did during the Super Bowl to great effect. Correct me if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&GPride44 Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 Perfect example, I was thinking the same thing. Tuck is a monster of a DT. A pass rushing DT monster. Isn't Tuck a DE...At least I thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Officially Tuck is a DE. I believe he mainly lines up on the outside, however they will line him up on the inside occasionally to create mismatches. This is what they did during the Super Bowl to great effect. Correct me if I'm wrong i think you are right. this is why the giants gameplan in the SB was so awesome. tuck is a DE, but because the pats completely stopped running the ball, they decided to line up 3 DEs on the line and just rush brady like the dickens. obviously it worked because brady got decked multiple times, but tuck is not a DT officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrugger Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ive become a big fan of both Trevor Laws and Dre Moore, although their outstanding combines may have moved them into the early 2nd round. I was looking at them as late 2nd/early 3rd guys that we could pick up later. Both are very quick and would fit what youre looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxley Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Recently, Albert Haynesworth has done a good job. I was about to post that, although he was in a contract year. I want to see him do more of the same this year to cement his position in this category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 The short answer is yes. There is such a thing. Most of them being 3 technique defensive tackles who's job is to disrupt and make plays in the backfield. The only one on the free agent market at the moment is Rod Coleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 This post was totally redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Any DT that can collapse the pocket and force the the QB from stepping up is pass specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I think Demetric Evans can be an effective pass rushing end/tackle. The Skins would do well to find another freak of nature like Tuck. I was hoping the Skins would find a way to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I think Demetric Evans can be an effective pass rushing end/tackle.The Skins would do well to find another freak of nature like Tuck. I was hoping the Skins would find a way to draft him. Skins have missed out on plenty of good lineman. Still can't believe we drafted Manuel White over Marcus Spears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 See Warren Sapp of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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