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Pass Rushing DT??? Is there such a thing?


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I've seen people give reference on this board to a pass rushing DT. Now I'm just wondering is there such a thing really? I mean who was the last DT that you've seen that was a sack specialist? Warren Sapp was a pretty good one, but he is was the exception to the rule. The fact is it's just not in the job description. Their job is to force the line back into the QBs face collapsing the pocket allowing usually for one of the speed guys to get after the QB. And more importantly their job is to dominate the LOS and play on the other side of the ball, maintain gap responsibilities, and allow the second level (LB) to run free and make plays for negative or minimal gains. So a pass rush DT to me means nothing, because as a whole in the NFL they don't largely exist and give me a run stuffer any day over a so called "Pass Rush DT"...Thoughts???

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Tommie Harris from the Bears. Brentson Buckner from the Panthers a bit ago.

Darnell Dockett from the Cards. Shaun Rogers from Detroit. Corey Williams from the Pack.

Dana Stubblefield (before he became a Redskin).

These are DT's who get a lot of sacks.

But I'm not sure that's really the point. You can call someone a "pass rushing DT" even if he doesn't accumulate a ton of sacks as long as he collapses the pocket and pushes the qb back into the speed rushing ends.

As opposed to a "run stuffing" tackle, whose job is to plug up gaps and, even when double teamed by a center and guard, to not move backwards.

They're both valuable, but there's no point in having a run stuffer out there on 3rd and 10 to "maintain gap responsibilities."

The great ones can do both, but with men that large you worry about endurance, so it's a good idea to have them in a rotation.

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John Randle was very quick off the ball and therefore was a very good pass rusher but he didn't have great size, just great quickness. A lot has to do with the scheme. The trend nowadays seems to be putting big beefy guys up front that can occupy blockers and allow the linebackers to make the plays.

The ideal DT is a guy who can not only take on two blockers but can collapse the pocket a bit when getting one-on-one blocking on passing downs. That way, if the DE can put pressure on the QB and he has to step up in the pocket, he runs into the DT. This is why Corey Williams had so much success in Green Bay last year. With KGB and Aarron Kampman providing outside pressure, Williams was able to cherry pick or at least get his hands up and disrupt throws or force them too soon.

I don't know if our DT's are capable of this because we don't have bookend DE's like the Packers or Giants do. Perhaps that's why both were able to find their way into the NFC Championship game. Our dilemma is do we draft a pass-rushing DE to force opposing QB's up in the pocket or do we draft a DT that can get that push up the middle?

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they are guys who collapse the pocket and can shoot the gaps between olineman with their speed. carter would probably look a hell of a lot better if we had a pocket collapsing DT. carter is quick off the edge but has trouble getting inside, and if we had a dominant DT to blow up the middle, QBs would be forced out of their comfort zone and ill take carter in space over most OTs.

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We're all speaking the same thing in different languages here! So basically a pass rushing DT is a pocket collapsing DT that plays on the other side of the ball... Dwyane Robertson is gonna hit the market and he never fit the 3-4 in NY but I think he would be a beast of a player next to Monty in the 4-3? Anybody else think so?

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We're all speaking the same thing in different languages here! So basically a pass rushing DT is a pocket collapsing DT that plays on the other side of the ball... Dwyane Robertson is gonna hit the market and he never fit the 3-4 in NY but I think he would be a beast of a player next to Monty in the 4-3? Anybody else think so?

id be all about bringing that guy in here, depending on the cost. if the jets are looking for tons of draft picks, then no. but if he can be add for some of our players im all for it.

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Perfect example, I was thinking the same thing. Tuck is a monster of a DT. A pass rushing DT monster. :)

Officially Tuck is a DE. I believe he mainly lines up on the outside, however they will line him up on the inside occasionally to create mismatches. This is what they did during the Super Bowl to great effect. Correct me if I'm wrong

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Officially Tuck is a DE. I believe he mainly lines up on the outside, however they will line him up on the inside occasionally to create mismatches. This is what they did during the Super Bowl to great effect. Correct me if I'm wrong

i think you are right. this is why the giants gameplan in the SB was so awesome. tuck is a DE, but because the pats completely stopped running the ball, they decided to line up 3 DEs on the line and just rush brady like the dickens. obviously it worked because brady got decked multiple times, but tuck is not a DT officially.

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Ive become a big fan of both Trevor Laws and Dre Moore, although their outstanding combines may have moved them into the early 2nd round. I was looking at them as late 2nd/early 3rd guys that we could pick up later.

Both are very quick and would fit what youre looking for

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I think Demetric Evans can be an effective pass rushing end/tackle.

The Skins would do well to find another freak of nature like Tuck. I was hoping the Skins would find a way to draft him.

Skins have missed out on plenty of good lineman. Still can't believe we drafted Manuel White over Marcus Spears.

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