Touchdown Redskins Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I was reading "Monday Morning Quarterback" from Peter King today, and I got pretty infuriated with something he wrote. On page three of this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/01/20/championshipweek/index.html?eref=T1) , he states who he thinks are the fifteen best teams of the NFL. Minnesota is fifteen, but this is not what bugs me. What does bug me is that after proclaiming Minnesota his fifteenth best team, he says that Cris Carter and Darrell Green headline a HOF "with no locks." With no locks? Seriously? Darrell Green isn't a lock for first-ballot HOF? I'm not one to care about the media, but considering he's on the panel, will we see him try to convince voters that Darrell Green should wait to get into the HOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I was reading "Monday Morning Quarterback" from Peter King today, and I got pretty infuriated with something he wrote. On page three of this article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/01/20/championshipweek/index.html?eref=T1) , he states who he thinks are the fifteen best teams of the NFL. Minnesota is fifteen, but this is not what bugs me. What does bug me is that after proclaiming Minnesota his fifteenth best team, he says that Cris Carter and Darrell Green headline a HOF "with no locks." With no locks? Seriously? Darrell Green isn't a lock for first-ballot HOF? I'm not one to care about the media, but considering he's on the panel, will we see him try to convince voters that Darrell Green should wait to get into the HOF? Art Monk not in the HOF yet should tell you there are no locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 If Darrell Green's not a lock, nobody is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I think I speak on behalf of all of us when I say... :doh: :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchdown Redskins Posted January 21, 2008 Author Share Posted January 21, 2008 Art Monk not in the HOF yet should tell you there are no locks. Well, I would've thought that, but Darrell Green is more of a lock to be in the HOF than Monk. Green is one of the best (if not the best) CBs of all time. How can he not be a first-ballot HOFer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Art Monk not in the HOF yet should tell you there are no locks. Agree How many rings does Carter have?? I do feel DG will get in but it isn't like the baseball hof to get in the first year in the NFL hof you have to be the elite above the elite. DG was a great player and maybe the greatest redskin but where does he rank among other cb's in the HOF?? That I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Peter King. Just trying to stir the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrredskinDgreen Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hey friend, you know I agree with you about D. Green. If he isn't a lock, there are no locks in my opinion. When you think of top corners of all time, who you think about???? Deion Sanders? Then who? Mr. Redskin himself - Darrell Green, that's who. Peter King is an idiot. Isn't he one of the anti-monk guys anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpillian Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Not really sure as to what CB of that era (80's-90's) that could overshadow DG. Not only was he one of the top corners in the league for the majority of his 20 year career, but he has the signature plays, he was a part of multiple Superbowl Teams (3 appearances, 2 wins), and was a 7 time Pro Bowler. The only other CB that I can think of that approached him in recent history was (groan) Primetime. And if you factor character into it, DG is the man to beat by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I do feel DG will get in but it isn't like the baseball hof to get in the first year in the NFL hof you have to be the elite above the elite. DG was a great player and maybe the greatest redskin but where does he rank among other cb's in the HOF?? That I don't know. Carter has ZERO rings. He never won a single one. Meanwhile, Monk was an important part of 3 SB winners (even if he missed some postseason time due to injuries) and had great playoff performances and great games to get the team to the postseason and records BEFORE the passing era REALLY took off and he played during 2 strike years, also. As for Green--not sure why you ask this. Green is as much a lock as any CB ever up for the ballot. He had a long and distinguished career, has 'signature' plays that demonstrate his ability ANd in the postseason, was regarded as a shutdown corner and superior tackler compared to the wimp Sanders and even did the little 'media things' like winning fastest man competition every time he entered. Oh, and he won 2 SBs and was part of an NFC Champion and other playoff appearances. Green SHOULD BE because of his tackling ability and all around teamwork MORE of a lock than Sanders--Sanders who got toasted regularly in his first several years by the Rices and Monks and Clarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Not really sure as to what CB of that era (80's-90's) that could overshadow DG. Not only was he one of the top corners in the league for the majority of his 20 year career, but he has the signature plays, he was a part of multiple Superbowl Teams (4 appearances, 3 wins), and was a 7 time Pro Bowler. The only other CB that I can think of that approached him in recent history was (groan) Primetime. And if you factor character into it, DG is the man to beat by far. If you add in the 90s---the ONLY guy who is on par is Rod Woodson. Rod was a GREAT football player and great punt returner also. Eventually, he moved to safety and was very good there for a couple of years. I'd say only Rod comes close as a performer but there are other aspects of his career where he doesn't come as close. Deion's media rep exceeded his play and he was only TRULY a shutdown corner of the elite level for about 5 years. He was NOT shutdown in Atlanta as he was routinely annihilated by Jerry Rice and other elite receivers. Add to that the fact he refused to get tackle and had that embarrassing episode in Atlanta where Brent Jones carried him for like 20 yards into the end zone and I think that's a major strike against him. But the media actually knows and recalls football less than we do, at least about specific guys, especially when reputation gets built over a couple of decades. Now all the same idiots forget that EVERYONE said "future hall of famer" when it came to ARt Monk and when you look at his numbers and factor in his era and the two strike years, he's as good as Largent and was more of a winner and blocker and SHARED the ball with quality receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINS STOMP Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 King used to be opposed to Monk in the hall, but has since changed his tune. I think he is speaking on the idea that he knows how the voters are and that no one is a lock, not on his personal feelings on any players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Personally, I think DG and Cris Carter should be 'lock' first balloters. Carter retired as the 2nd greatest receiver of all-time (statistically speaking). DG is the 2nd best CB I've ever seen play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Personally, I think DG and Cris Carter should be 'lock' first balloters. Carter retired as the 2nd greatest receiver of all-time (statistically speaking). DG is the 2nd best CB I've ever seen play the game.Using Kings own reasoning, Carter can not get into the HOF until after Monk does. That is why he has changed his tune on Monk. He knows that all the lobbying he did against Monk will apply to Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkins81 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Here we go again!!!! Peter King is not even worth listening to when it comes to anything that has to do with the HOF. If he hasn't understand why Monk should be in and is trying to stir the pot about Green that ought to tell ya how much of an ass he is and not wanting to vote in a Redskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamptonskinsfan Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Not really sure as to what CB of that era (80's-90's) that could overshadow DG. Not only was he one of the top corners in the league for the majority of his 20 year career, but he has the signature plays, he was a part of multiple Superbowl Teams (4 appearances, 3 wins), and was a 7 time Pro Bowler. The only other CB that I can think of that approached him in recent history was (groan) Primetime. And if you factor character into it, DG is the man to beat by far. DG was only in 3 Super Bowls and won 2. he was a rookie when we played the Raiders in the Super Bowl. just a little FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins2010 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I use to think Art Monk was a Lock first rounder back in the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpillian Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 DG was only in 3 Super Bowls and won 2. he was a rookie when we played the Raiders in the Super Bowl. just a little FYI. Good catch -- went back and edited my post. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins n' Bones Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Personally, I think DG and Cris Carter should be 'lock' first balloters. Carter retired as the 2nd greatest receiver of all-time (statistically speaking). DG is the 2nd best CB I've ever seen play the game. DG is a lock and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Hmmm....isn't there another WR on the ballot that retired as the 1st greatest receiver of all time (statistically speaking)??? Carter is not a lock (for first year induction) and should not get in before Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamptonskinsfan Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Good catch -- went back and edited my post. Thanks! np Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 He had a long and distinguished career, has 'signature' plays that demonstrate his ability ANd in the postseason, was regarded as a shutdown corner and superior tackler compared to the wimp Sanders and even did the little 'media things' like winning fastest man competition every time he entered. Oh, and he won 2 SBs and was part of an NFC Champion and other playoff appearances. I think DG's signature play is the punt return vs the Bears My point is I think he is in just was curoius what other great cb's during his era are in the HOF thats it. With Gibbs retiring I think it would be sweet to have Monk, Green, and Grimm all put in the HOF so once and for all he can say see, we did have HOF players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Green has what is imporant to the voters for the HOF. He talked to them. Stats are what got him into consideration. Now if its you gave that interview to whoever back in 1994 after that tough loss in whenever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Here we go again!!!! Peter King is not even worth listening to when it comes to anything that has to do with the HOF. If he hasn't understand why Monk should be in and is trying to stir the pot about Green that ought to tell ya how much of an ass he is and not wanting to vote in a Redskin. I agree Peter King,, PLEASE Green is a lock, especially against his competition ths year. Non Story, period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 King enjoys stirring the pot. Green is a textbook lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#21Taylor4Ever Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Darrell Green is most likely the best cover corner to every play the game of football, with Sanders right there, and he's not a lock to make first ballot? Sometimes I wish those who voted actually played the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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