Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Pac imo is not garbage but hes definally overrated, as Rex said most of his big wins at 147 was at catch weights or fighting guys coming off a lost. Even then theres no doubt in my mind that he was not a clean fighter. At 130 fights with Morales, Berrera, and the Marquez fights he is a sure fire HOF and one of the best P4P. Dela Hoya- win was garbage the man was a deadman walking in the ring, rumored getting IVs and haven't fought at that weight 10 years. Cotto- made him drop 2 pounds for some reason. And Cotto was a year out from getting hit with bricks. Hatton- was just destroyed by Mayweather a year earilier. Marquez- some good fights 1 draw, 1 legitimate win, 1 robbery one one fight getting ktfo cold. Margarito- a cheating chump just got handled by Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley- 2 years after Mayweather put a beating on him and he was starting to show age then. Clottey- showed up for the check, never came to fight horrible horrible fight. Algeri and Rios both C level fighters. Bradley fights- SOLID WINS. Even then still a great fighter just isn't in Mayweathers class as far as skill. Five years ago Mayweather dominates and beats him badly fight may even get stopped, we wouldn't know because he refused to take the test. Great post dude. But this is what I want to say about the Bradley fights. When Manny first fought Bradley he was coming off an absolute WAR with Provodnikov. A war where Bradley was forced to see several different specialist bc of vision problems and possible brain damage. On top of that, Bradley had never fought above 140. These facts played right into the hands of Roach and Arum bc he fit their "criteria". Even tho Manny loss that fight on the cards, we all know it was a robbery. But even with the pre-fight factors, he couldn't beat Bradley convincingly enough to avoid the gift decision. Also Bradley injured BOTH feet in the fight and still was able to make the fight competitive. The rematch was the only legit win. Bradley had just made easy work of Marquez so the fight was greatly anticipated. Now even tho I don't understand why Bradley was completely ignoring his corner and the game plan to go for the 1 punch KO early, but hey it was a legit win for Pacquiao. Edited May 4, 2015 by Rexx1240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like anyone here could fight Mayweather and not get knocked out. Cause that's never his goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like anyone here could fight Mayweather and not get knocked out. Cause that's never his goal. The way Mayweather fights, he could fight another 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Nah, Rexx says Judah is a hall of famer and Pacquiao's career is garbage lol. Just for the sake of argument I'll retract that and say Judah isn't a HoF. That way we don't even have to debate it. Would love to but don't wanna get off subject. I really want those questions answered bc I'm dying to know how you will spin that ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like anyone here could fight Mayweather and not get knocked out. Cause that's never his goal. If we fought or boxed? If we boxed, he'll definitely knock me out. If we fought, I'm going to try my hardest to use my weight against him... But he'll still probably end up knocking me out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Please retire, Floyd. You're killing the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 If we fought or boxed? If we boxed, he'll definitely knock me out. If we fought, I'm going to try my hardest to use my weight against him... But he'll still probably end up knocking me out lol I dunno man. I could just run around enough and get away from him long enough to survive I bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Just for the sake of argument I'll retract that and say Judah isn't a HoF. That way we don't even have to debate it. Would love to but don't wanna get off subject. I really want those questions answered bc I'm dying to know how you will spin that ****. Pacquiao won 6 fights against 4 future hall of famers (in their primes). He's the ONLY 8 division world champion in the history of boxing. Again, name 4 future hall of famers Floyd beat in their primes. You answer that question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I dunno man. I could just run around enough and get away from him long enough to survive I bet. Yeah. I can't run around though. I think it'll serve me best if I used all my energy to go on the offensive. That's why I know he'll knock me if it we boxed. Even with the 10 inch height advantage, he'll two piece my big ass one good time and I'll be out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Please retire, Floyd. You're killing the sport. He fought the same way he bashed Ali for when he fought Foreman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I dunno man. I could just run around enough and get away from him long enough to survive I bet. Honestly you probably could, he wouldn't care. He would hit u just enough times each round to make sure he steals them and get an easy W. At this stage Floyd doesn't care about style points, just easy pay days. He fought the same way he bashed Ali for when he fought Foreman. False. Go check the compubox one more time. Pacquiao won 6 fights against 4 future hall of famers (in their primes). He's the ONLY 8 division world champion in the history of boxing. Again, name 4 future hall of famers Floyd beat in their primes. You answer that question. I asked first so as soon as u answer mines, I'll answer yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Honestly you probably could, he wouldn't care. He would hit u just enough times each round to make sure he steals them and get an easy W. At this stage Floyd doesn't care about style points, just easy pay days. That's about the only thing you said that makes sense. The way he fights, he will NEVER lose. Edited May 4, 2015 by DM72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Great post dude. But this is what I want to say about the Bradley fights. When Manny first fought Bradley he was coming off an absolute WAR with Provodnikov. A war where Bradley was forced to see several different specialist bc of vision problems and possible brain damage. On top of that, Bradley had never fought above 140. These facts played right into the hands of Roach and Arum bc he fit their "criteria". Even tho Manny loss that fight on the cards, we all know it was a robbery. But even with the pre-fight factors, he couldn't beat Bradley convincingly enough to avoid the gift decision. Also Bradley injured BOTH feet in the fight and still was able to make the fight competitive. The rematch was the only legit win. Bradley had just made easy work of Marquez so the fight was greatly anticipated. Now even tho I don't understand why Bradley was completely ignoring his corner and the game plan to go for the 1 punch KO early, but hey it was a legit win for Pacquiao. True I forgot about the beating the Ruslan put on Bradley, Bradley won the fight but for sure lost the war he was getting hit with BOMBS. Rexx your absolutley right every fight Pac fights there's some kind of catch attached too it. Put a asterisk beside of every fight damn near. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 That's about the only thing you said that makes sense. The way he fights, he will NEVER loss. Notice I said AT THIS STAGE. He didn't always fight like that but he was always a defensive minded fighter. Back in the day he used to engage a lot more but if you're looking for him to just stand there and trade, not gonna happen. Thats what UFC is for, not boxing. Also if he's forced to fight then he will. Perfect example would be the Cotto fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Just for your information Rexx, Pacquiao is said to be the only lineal champion in 4 weight classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Just for your information Rexx, Pacquiao is said to be the only lineal champion in 4 weight classes. No sir, wrong again. For your information he won lineal championship belts in 4 weight classes by either beating a paper champ Like David Diaz or a vacated title but he NEVER held the belts. He himself vacated and kept moving up instead of defending. I can go further into detail if you'd like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Dude, let it go. You lost. Actually, it's not about who lost the argument. Your hold notion that Pacquiao is somehow overrated and his career was garbage is idiotic. Only a true Mayweather fanboy would think that way. I wouldn't even go that far to say that about Mayweather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksun247 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacquiao-disappointed-in-nevada-commission-289500 Someone is being a sore loser. NOBODY in their right mind wants to see a rematch. Manny is just trying to get paid (AGAIN). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 My dad was a boxing fan. I have given boxing a chance previously, but personally, I find it extremely boring and also, IMO, it seemed as if all the hype was generated artificially. It seemed to me that ESPN was paid to talk about it, promote it etc... I also feel that people were suckered into buying it. I wouldn't watch boxing for free, let alone pay for it, UNLESS they put Mayweather up against 1000 battered women with baseball bats. I'd watch that. It makes me sad because I think I (and many people my age) missed out on the time when boxing was really exciting. I want to be excited with boxing, but it seems like the promoters and the way boxing is set up has ruined that part of it. This fight was a prime example. It should have happened years ago, but it didn't. It's happened now, and apparently it was an awful fight. It's not hard to figure out the why's to those two statements... There was a time where I thought MMA would take over, but I don't think it will. I look at it like horse racing - it used to be an amazing sport in this country, but for many reasons it's just fallen from that prestigious level and I don't think the people with the power to return it to that level want to and/or are capable of doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacquiao-disappointed-in-nevada-commission-289500 Someone is being a sore loser. NOBODY in their right mind wants to see a rematch. Manny is just trying to get paid (AGAIN). You have a point, but every fighter seeks a rematch. Why should Pacquiao be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Dude, let it go. You lost. Actually, it's not about who lost the argument. Your hold notion that Pacquiao is somehow overrated and his career was garbage is idiotic. Only a true Mayweather fanboy would think that way. I wouldn't even go that far to say that about Mayweather. I lost?? LOL!! Stop man. I said his career is garbage in comparison to Floyd which it is. You have proven absolutely nothing on the contrary. I broke Manny's entire resume down and you have nothing to say on Floyd's. Nothing. So I'll say again, Manny is a good fighter not great. Manny is overrated. His career is overrated, his resume' is overrated, his trainer is overrated and his boxing skill is overrated. Like him or not Floyd is the superior boxer with the superior resume'. If you wanna say I loss, cool LOL. But you know the truth. No evidence towards Floyd's resume' yet continue to bash with opinions. I'll just drop it here since according to DM I've already loss. A damn joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksun247 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 You have a point, but every fighter seeks a rematch. Why should Pacquiao be any different? Fight wasn't very competitive. If it was close or competitive, then a rematch could be warranted. No need for rematch. These comments are out of line with Manny's character. If something was amiss, then they should have made it known earlier. Take your $120 Million (or whatever he gets after Arum & company get their cut) and be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Are they wrong too Rex? http://www.wboboxing.com/manny-pacquiao/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like anyone here could fight Mayweather and not get knocked out. Cause that's never his goal. Whatever power he had never carried beyond 135 IMO Even at the lower weights, he was never a "devastating" puncher, but he put his shots together and did enough damage to eventually force stoppages. Against the bigger fighters he faced at 140 & above, he altered his game to be even more defensive and shut people down with skill. At the higher weights, I think he adopted the thinking of "if the KO comes, then fine, but I probably don't have the power to force a KO". At his lower weight, he was much more offensive minded. Like any tactician, his goal changes based on circumstances. http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacquiao-disappointed-in-nevada-commission-289500 Someone is being a sore loser. NOBODY in their right mind wants to see a rematch. Manny is just trying to get paid (AGAIN). ugh I always respected Manny, but I hate **** like this from any fighter. Again, once you step through the ring, you forfeit the right to claim injuries afterward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexx1240 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Are they wrong too Rex? http://www.wboboxing.com/manny-pacquiao/ Sighs sometimes with you it feels like I'm literally talking to a damn lego block. Edited May 4, 2015 by Rexx1240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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